[Tagging] How to tag a narrow cul de sac without turning possibility

Bert -Araali- Van Opstal bert.araali.afritastic at gmail.com
Fri Mar 26 09:17:52 UTC 2021

Could you make a link to the redefintion ?

What I can see from the history is only layout changes and moving 
medieval town alleys (with reference to Europe as example but not 
restrictive) to a separate section with image examples.
Something we should encourage I think, adding clear examples to reflect 
a tags use. These "medieval" alleys also exist in African, Asian and 
other countries outside the US and Europe. Actually, we should extend 
"Medieval" to a more broader term, because these alleys appear also in 
new and pre- and post-medieval cities and towns.

That would be an extension of the definition, not a redefinition.  
Shouldn't we discuss that, and if you want vote on it ?

So I would encourage to extend the "Medieval" section, created now, with 
even more examples from across the world (as the one from Taiwan given 
in this thread, other pre-medieval cities from across the world and 
post-medieval and new cities from across the world). Do we want a 
proposal process for adding examples of proven use in the wiki?

And if you want, bringing your cul-de-sac example maybe in it, because 
essentially, the problem as you describe, no Uturn possibility for 
larger vehicles is a characteristic of all alleys isn't it ?


Bert Araali

On 26/03/2021 08:06, Volker Schmidt wrote:
> I know that the wiki has these contradicting roles.
> My point was that such a major redefinition (from being a minor back 
> lane in a typical US town to describing also main but narrow roads in 
> a medieval town in Europe, out of the blue, is very unusual.
> On Thu, 25 Mar 2021, 19:53 Paul Johnson, <baloo at ursamundi.org 
> <mailto:baloo at ursamundi.org>> wrote:
>     On Wed, Mar 24, 2021 at 7:25 AM Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com
>     <mailto:voschix at gmail.com>> wrote:
>         Please note that the Wiki page for Alley has been changed
>         completely both in appearance and in contents, including the
>         very definition of the tag on 20 February 2021 by user
>         Ftrebien <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Ftrebien>
>         I do not remember to have seen a discussion of this re-definition.
>     Link to the versions in question?
>     Also be aware the wiki should be documenting how people actually
>     map, not define how people must map. Failing to understand this
>     assumption, the wiki often doesn't reflect reality thanks to a few
>     folks who push back on the smallest of changes even when it is to
>     include and document actual reality into the wiki.  It's a
>     borderline useless resource that should be treated with a grain of
>     salt at this point.
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