[Tagging] [Talk-GB] Golfing tags seem to conflict with walking tags

[nathan case]

Ah I should have also checked iD.

There is a pre-set for "Golf Walking Path":

foot=designated
golf=path
highway=path



-----Original Message-----
From: nathan case <nathancase at outlook.com> 
Sent: 26 November 2021 10:23
To: Tag discussion, strategy and related tools <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [Tagging] [Talk-GB] Golfing tags seem to conflict with walking tags

> Broken wiki page or broken editor presets perhaps?

It's the golf=path wiki page (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:golf%3Dpath). Direct quote: 

"It is also possible to tag footpaths in golf courses with highway=footway or highway=path and foot=designated. This tagging is more common and is more likely to be supported by database users, such as routing applications and map renderers."

The use of designated as an access value is a tricky one. The wiki page (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddesignated) says it's for routes "specially designated (typically by a government) for use by a particular mode (or modes) of transport". Note, "typically" not always. So one could argue that designated does work if these paths are specifically designated by the golf course for pedestrians (rather than, e.g., golf buggies).

I favour the government/legality approach - certainly in the UK where we use designated for PRoWs. However, globally, this is less clear.

Cheers.

-----Original Message-----
From: Philip Barnes <phil at trigpoint.me.uk>
Sent: 26 November 2021 09:39
To: talk-gb at openstreetmap.org
Subject: Re: [Talk-GB] Golfing tags seem to conflict with walking tags

IMHO designated should only be used on legal rights of way.

Mark Twain said everything one needs to know about golf.

I guess the question is why are golf course mappers adding a tag indcating a right of way?

Broken wiki page or broken editor presets perhaps?

Phil (trigpoint)

On Friday, 26 November 2021, Jon Pennycook wrote:
> Hello.
> 
> Golfing tags for paths seem to conflict with those used for walking.  e.g.
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:golf%3Dpath
> 
> I have noticed that a number of golf courses have paths tagged as 
> highway=path, foot=designated.  From my point of view, this means that 
> any pedestrian can use that path, but practically many of those paths 
> are private and not open to the general public (so if they were not 
> paths on golf courses, they would be tagged as foot=private or foot=permit).
> 
> If these are connected with roads or rights of way, journey planners 
> might send pedestrians through golf courses, which may not be 
> desirable.  Perhaps we need a way to tag a designated route for 
> pedestrians that isn't open to the general public?
> 
> Jon
>

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