[Tagging] When does highway=footway become highway=pedestrian?

[Peter Neale]

Personally, I would have thought that, if cycles are permitted to be ridden on the "Pedestrian Area", then "bicycle=yes" would be correct.
We should be mapping what is physically possible / physically present and what is legally allowed, NOT what we think people will do.
Regards,Peter
(aka PeterPan99)
    On Wednesday, 27 October 2021, 09:21:40 BST, Volker Schmidt <voschix at gmail.com> wrote:  
 
 The tagging seems basically ok. 
The way 899600621  reflects correctly the shared foot-cycle-path which is there. The only thing I would do is to remove the bicyle=yes from the pedestrian area, as I would expect the cyclists to stay on the foot-cycle-path.


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On Wed, 27 Oct 2021 at 02:41, Clifford Snow <clifford at snowandsnow.us> wrote:

Nathan,
On Tue, Oct 26, 2021 at 7:03 AM nathan case <nathancase at outlook.com> wrote:


Hi all,

 

I’ve just posted this on the Wiki discussion page (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Talk:Tag:highway%3Dpedestrian#.22For_town_centres_and_civic_areas.22) but the thread is a little old and I know not everyone reads the Wiki anyway…

 

I’m wondering at what point, if at all, a highway=footway becomes highway=pedestrian (i.e., a pedestrian area)?

 

I have an example (https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/365487665#map=18/52.44601/-1.81904) of a sidewalk that has been mapped as a pedestrian area. It is certainly quite wide (around 7-8 m in places) and is located within a town centre/civic area. It even has painted markings (since COVID-19 pandemic began) splitting the direction of travel for pedestrians - though this is, of course, entirely ignored by everyone walking there. 

 

However, it is, fundamentally, just a wide paved area for pedestrians that runs parallel and adjacent to the main carriageway (road) – i.e. a sidewalk.

 

Do we define particularly wide sidewalks as pedestrian areas? They do seem to match most of the criteria listed on the Wiki but it doesn’t seem to quite fit for me.


I certainly don't see anything wrong with this pedestrian way since there is also a routable highway=path in the middle. (highway=footway + footway=sidewalk would be better) It does show that there is a wide pedestrian way which is accurate. Without the routable path, then just a highway=pedestrian will block people from using it. (I've heard of one proprietary router that does route on areas but I'm not aware of any open source router that does.) 
Best,Clifford
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