[Tagging] Delete vs Removed LSP?

[Volker Schmidt]

Just to remind everyone that these things happen:
I once inserted an entire motorway junction, including payment booths and
roofs and everything, only to receive shortly afterwards a message from a
co-mapper, that the motorway junction in question had been demolished.

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On Mon, 25 Apr 2022 at 15:55, Dave F via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org>
wrote:

> Resending as Timothy's reply was only sent to me:
>
> On 25/04/2022 12:19, Timothy Noname wrote:
>
> LSP = Life Cycle Prefix.
>
>
> ?!?
>
>
> Changing amenity=telephone to removed:amenity=telephone
>
>
> Then remove it from OSM.
>
>
> I sometimes add Postboxes I see on mapillary, but it's always possible
> they were previously mapped and removed because they don't exist anymore.
>
>
> If you're uncertain about something, then don't add it. If you don't have
> local/ground truth knowledge you could be adding false data into OSM.
> Assuming third party imagery is accurate is poor mapping & an example of
> why i don't like 'tools' such as maproulette.
> Add a note to the website asking for local knowledge to check if something
> still exists.
>
> It can be the same with buildings on BING imagery.
>
> Leaving a removed: item helps prevent that, until the space is redeveloped
> and replaced with something else.
>
>
> How far back should we go? i live in a Roman city. That's a /lot/ of
> removed data.
>
> To repeat: "a place for mapping things that are both *real and current* "
>
> DaveF
>
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>
>
> On 25/04/2022 12:19, Timothy Noname wrote:
>
> LSP = Life Cycle Prefix.
>
> Changing amenity=telephone to removed:amenity=telephone
>
> I sometimes add Postboxes I see on mapillary, but it's always possible
> they were previously mapped and removed because they don't exist anymore.
> It can be the same with buildings on BING imagery.
>
> Leaving a removed: item helps prevent that, until the space is redeveloped
> and replaced with something else.
>
>
>
>
> On Mon, 25 Apr 2022, 11:12 Dave F, <davefoxfac63 at btinternet.com> wrote:
>
>> Hi
>>
>> What is 'LSP'?
>>
>>
>> OSM is not a historical map.
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/welcome:
>>
>> "a place for mapping things that are both *real and current* "
>>
>> If features are completely removed, then remove the entity from OSM. If
>> is still in existence but unused the 'disused:' prefix can be added.
>>
>> DaveF
>>
>> On 25/04/2022 10:28, Timothy Noname wrote:
>>
>> I'm thinking about amenities like Telephone boxes and Postal boxes. If
>> they have been removed you can either delete them from OSM or tag then with
>> the removed life cycle prefix. The advantage of the second is that it might
>> prevent someone re-adding the feature using old imagery or survey
>> information.
>> Is this the preferred approach or is there some problem with this
>> approach?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
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