[Tagging] Time to split the list?

[Dian Ågesson]

Hi,

> - tagging_help: a place to ask and answer "how do I tag…" questions.
> 
> so I ask if we have a tag for A, I am told no but someone has an idea 
> to call it foo=bar
> is it a help that should continue on help? or is it the beginning of 
> the discussion of a new tag?

Martin and yourself raise good points about the potential overlap.

Perhaps such a list would be better framed as a place for new editors to 
ask for "basic" questions: "How to I map my local park", "have I drawn 
this road correctly", etc. Maybe alternative channels already serve that 
purpose adequately.

> already proposed several times but no one wants to take care of it.
> there was an attempt on the wiki "what's new
> the only lasting experience is osmweekly and its 
> announcements/summaries
> moreover any email or webmail client is already able to create a 
> tagging_proposals folder and put RFC topics and votes in it.

There is some portion of the audience of this list which is only 
interested in these "announcements". The benefit of having a different 
list would be for those people to not receive the other emails at all.

> you mean that everyone should migrate from the list to a new one ?
> what difference does it make if the discussion of tags takes place on a 
> new list instead of here?
> 
> […]
> 
> t's really not clear how the discussion of a new tag will be for here
> unless it's BIG then it's for tagging_strategy

I don't think everyone should migrate, but I do think there are two very 
different types of conversations: conversations about a tag/tags, and 
meta-conversations about tagging as a concept. Conversations could be 
about the nature of free form tags, descriptive vs prescriptive tagging 
guidelines, discussions about the tagging process; these are 
conversations that are wordy and can generate lots of discussion, but 
also important to cover. Conversations about tags, ideas for new tags 
etc would stay here. Again, different people follow this list for 
different reasons; splitting allows people to opt out of high level 
conversations if they aren't interested.

> I agree but the "slip" already exist: tagging <> osm-talk for ex

I get your point; we don't want to be overly fragmented to the point of 
absurdity, and if the community keeps splitting lists eventually there 
will be hundreds.

I think the rate of a split every 10 or so years isn't actually too bad 
though. :)

Dian

On 2022-02-18 01:42, Marc_marc wrote:

> Hello,
> 
> Le 17.02.22 à 13:28, Dian Ågesson a écrit :
> 
>> The conversation about consensus is a good example
> 
> yes and no. this thread shouldn't have been started at all on tagging.
> so it'sn't an exemple about "we need to split", it's an exemple about
> "chooice the good list".
> 
>> suggest splitting this mailing list
> 
> I agree but the "slip" already exist: tagging <> osm-talk for ex
> 
>> - tagging_help: a place to ask and answer "how do I tag…" questions.
> 
> so I ask if we have a tag for A, I am told no but someone has an idea 
> to call it foo=bar
> is it a help that should continue on help? or is it the beginning of 
> the discussion of a new tag?
> the world is not black or white and the one who asks the question on 
> tagging has generally already done the research without finding so it 
> speaks of a concern that should go on another of your lists
> 
>> - tagging_proposals: pure news feed for proposal announcements. RFC 
>> open, vote notifications etc.
> 
> already proposed several times but no one wants to take care of it.
> there was an attempt on the wiki "what's new
> the only lasting experience is osmweekly and its 
> announcements/summaries
> moreover any email or webmail client is already able to create a 
> tagging_proposals folder and put RFC topics and votes in it.
> 
>> - tagging_strategy: a place to discuss the BIG, thorny issues about 
>> tagging. Essays and debates welcome.
> 
> you mean that everyone should migrate from the list to a new one ?
> what difference does it make if the discussion of tags takes place on a 
> new list instead of here?
> 
>> - tagging: this list. Could either be for discussions that don't fit 
>> anywhere, such as looking for collaborators on wiki articles or 
>> sounding out new tag ideas, or could be a summary type list that gives 
>> the headlines from the child lists.
> 
> it's really not clear how the discussion of a new tag will be for here 
> unless it's BIG then it's for tagging_strategy
> 
> Regards,
> Marc
> 
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