[Tagging] Parking lane tagging - city_parking_zone as extra condition value

[riiga at lysator.liu.se]

I left some feedback on the discussion page. Overall I don't see the  
need for this. It seems more like a useful thing when collecting the  
data as opposed to when actually mapping the data in OSM.

/riiga

Citerar Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging <tagging at openstreetmap.org>:

> I am slowly creating
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/city_parking_zone_as_parking:condition_value
> (or now, it is mostly copy-paste of that message and not finished)
>
> Noone commented so far - but if anyone feels that it is unwanted/silly idea
> it would be much better to comment now rather then
> during vote after investing several hours of work into it.
>
>
> Dec 19, 2021, 00:00 by tagging at openstreetmap.org:
>
>> This can work with both just proposed tagging and existing one.
>>
>> I also thought about municipal_parking_zone as value.
>>
>> This idea relies on following assumptions
>>
>> * it is useful to gather/tag info "this is a city parking zone" even if
>> further info is not tagged immediately
>> * extra info can be added without on site survey (because it is often
>> the same for entire city or the same in entire districts)
>> * tagging full info is often obnoxious and hard to maintain, while
>> gathering it with one value would allow coordinated updates across city
>>
>> Example from Kraków, Poland.
>>
>> Area and subareas are well defined, but this rules apply only on  
>> public roads.
>> See >  
>> https://zdmk.krakow.pl/parkowanie/strefa-platnego-parkowania/mapy/mapa-strefy/
>> for an official map.
>>
>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/414860799>  is in A1 subarea but
>> city parking rules do not apply there as it is internal road
>> of Jagiellonian University from legal viewpoint.
>>
>> For > https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/294128564>  this parking  
>> rules apply.
>>
>> This info is not obvious and requires survey/research.
>>
>> Tagging full rules would require noting that
>> - parking is paid
>> - parking is free on Sundays and during night (from 20.00 to 10.00)
>> - charge strongly reduced for residents with long-term permits
>>
>> The first two rules are (in case that new tagging would be accepted)
>>
>> parking:condition:*=ticket
>> parking:condition:*:conditional=free @ (Su, Mo-Fr 20:00-10:00)
>>
>> with the current tagging
>> parking:condition:*:ticket:time_interval=Mo-Fr 10:00-20:00
>> parking:condition:*:free:time_interval=Mo-Fr 20:00-10:00,Su
>>
>> tagging this requires checking syntax on wiki (or dedicated editor),
>> checking exact parking rules on
>> https://zdmk.krakow.pl/parkowanie/strefa-platnego-parkowania/informacje-ogolne-i-oplaty/>
>> and inputting all of that for every single road segment with parkings.
>>
>> Even with nice interface (I am working on one exactly right now) collecting
>> this info would be really obnoxious.
>>
>> It seems to me that collecting just
>> parking:condition:*=city_parking_zone during survey and later
>> armchair adding
>> parking:condition:*:conditional=ticket; free @ (Su, Mo-Fr 20:00-10:00)
>> to all
>> parking:condition:*=city_parking_zone
>> would be better workflow.
>>
>> There are also some minor benefits:
>> And also makes easier to handle changes in rules (Saturdays used to  
>> be also free)
>> And allows distinguishing between city-operated parking and  
>> privately operated
>> (residents may have paid parking only for the first one)
>>
>> And negatives:
>> One more extra rule to suppport and understand.
>>