[Tagging] Deprecating phone=* in favor of more ambiguity in the database

[Frederik Ramm]

Hi,

On 1/28/22 19:21, mail at marcos-martinez.net wrote:
> The previous debate happened in May 2020, more than 1 year and 8 months ago.

And it was the second debate about the topic, and it did not anything 
new over the first debate.

> If the above is interpreted as established community consensus which is 
> not to be challenged under penalty of banning, 

I think the penalty of banning comes from a moderator saying "if you do 
this again I will ban you". If such a warning is blatantly and willfully 
ignored without consequence, we might as well do away with moderators 
altogether.

As for consensus, taginfo says that "phone" outnumbers "contact:phone" 
by 4:1 and the number of people "having last edited" an object with 
"phone" outnumbers those having last edited an object with 
"contact:phone" by 6:1.

I am rather tired of hearing the same old "oh but OSM should have a 
CLEAN data structure where everything is nicely put in a NAMESPACE" 
discussion again. Saying "if you don't like the topic, ignore it" is 
cynical; first of all, once there are too many topics I don't like on 
the mailing list, I will dislike the whole mailing list; secondly, Sören 
bringing up the same old topic again forces me to re-iterate the same 
old arguments against, or else someone will say "hey, see, nobody was 
against it".

I am not a list moderator but I am in the Data Working Group and when we 
say to someone "don't do this again" (even if it should be something 
that other users can do with impunity) and this person smiles in our 
faces while he's doing the exact thing again, then of course we block 
them, and we most certainly don't first start a poll among OSM users 
whether they think this is just.

So,

1. OSM doens't have a nice and clean data model as taught in your 
computer sciene 1+1 and if you can't wrap your head around this then go 
play somewhere else;

2. specifically, the phone tag is totally fine and we don't need 
contact:phone to store two million times in our database that by the 
way, a phone is some way of contacting someone;

3. and Richard was totally right to follow through on his announcement 
to not tolerate the same discussion for a third time.

Bye
Frederik

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