[Tagging] Deprecating phone=* in favor of more ambiguity in the database

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Hi Richard, 

let me see if I get this right: 

The previous debate happened in May 2020, more than 1 year and 8 months
ago. 

Although a total of 19 people participated in the debate (59 messages),
only 6 of those who answered Sören (Paul Allen, Marc M., Martin
Koppenhoefer, CJ Malon, s8evq & Mateusz Konieczny) were responsible for
70% of the messages. Overall I saw that answers were a mixed bag of
positive and negative reactions. 

If the above is interpreted as established community consensus which is
not to be challenged under penalty of banning, I'd like to know what the
official time frame is under which topics must not be submitted under
any circumstances. 

Getting more to the point: I find it highly disturbing how this is
handled. I know, especially as a long time member of OSM some debates
can seem repetitive but admins need to be immune. Those who are not
interested inparticipating are free to ignore the mail. 

I have often expressed we need a process or mechanism to establish
community consensus in an open and transparent way. As long as we don't
enable this I am afraid the situation will not change and we will
exhaustingly keep repeating the same debates over and over again. 

Cj Malone's answer is revealing in this sense:

I am fairly new to OSM, especially the mailing lists but I guess you
are coming from a point of view like "They are coming for the phone tag
again". I'm not, I wasn't part of any previous discussions on the phone
tag or contact namespace. I just want to help improve OSM, any way that
I can.

If you are a little annoyed because you've had this discussion multiple
times that just means it's a hot topic for people and discussions will
help everyone understand all the other opinions.

Cheers, Marcos 

Am 28.01.2022 17:40, schrieb Richard Fairhurst: 

Cheers

> Soren, this is the third time you have brought this proposal, or something very like it, to the list.
> 
> After the second time, I wrote:
> 
>> As someone with admin access over this mailing list, I request that you 
>> do not keep bringing back proposals which were extensively debated 
>> beforehand and generally rejected. It wastes everyone's time.
>> 
>> I don't particularly want to start banhammering people from the list 
>> but will do so if necessary.
> 
> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/tagging/2020-May/052391.html
> 
> In accordance with that I have now removed you from the list.
> 
> Richard
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