[Tagging] Deprecating school=entrance in favour of entrance=yes

[Joseph Eisenberg]

In this case it is pretty clear that school=entrance is no longer being
used regularly. It does not appear to be used by any projects.
The chronology chart in taginfo (
https://taginfo.openstreetmap.org/tags/school=entrance#chronology) shows no
increased usage since mid 2014.
In that time entrance=yes has gone from less than 1/2 million to more than
1.5 million uses.

I would feel comfortable noting school=entrance as deprecated.
But since there is currently no wiki page to document it, you would have to
start a page just to mention that it is not recommended.

- Joseph Eisenberg

On Thu, Jun 9, 2022 at 9:03 PM Minh Nguyen <minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us>
wrote:

> Vào lúc 17:39 2022-06-09, Pieter Vander Vennet đã viết:
> > Hi all,
> >
> > I'm trying to get my head around tagging schools and I'm at the same
> > time documenting tags that are used and attempting to improve the wiki
> > pages. I did document my current understanding on tagging schools here
> > <
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/user/Pieter%20Vander%20Vennet/diary/399339>.
> >
> > However, I did encounter the tagging `school=entrance` which has been
> > used about ~2000 times to indicate a school entrance. This tagging has
> > been supplanted by `entrance=*`, which has cleaner semantics, is more
> > flexible and is widely understood and supported by both mappers, editors
> > and data consumers. School=entrance has beennoted in the wiki for years
> > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:school#School_entrances> as
> > being faulty too. At last, the `school`-key might be useful in the near
> > future for actual tagging of the type of the school (but that is a
> > discussion for another itme).
>
> Thanks for broaching this topic. This homonymous key [1] has been a
> matter of frustration for some mappers for a long time. [2]
>
> > And I would like to have the various editors out there (JOSM and iD) to
> > start giving deprecation warnings too, but that should be discussed on
> > this mailing list here too (as requested by the JOSM-team
> > <https://josm.openstreetmap.de/ticket/22120>).
> >
> > So:
> >
> > - What are your thoughts on deprecating school=entrance in favour of
> > entrance=main, entrance=yes or something similar?
>
> Not every school=entrance represents a main entrance to a school, so
> entrance=yes would be a safer replacement to document. Of course,
> mappers should feel free to refine it further to entrance=main as
> applicable.
>
> Your idea to deprecate school=entrance has a lot going for it. It is
> fully subsumed by the entrance=* tagging scheme, which in 2011 became
> probably one of the most recent primary feature keys to be approved.
> Usage of school=entrance leveled off in 2014 and today is primarily
> concentrated in Europe (unlike school entrances in reality). To my
> knowledge, it has no software support whatsoever, whereas entrance=*
> enjoys widespread support in both editors and data consumers. Much more
> common tags have been deprecated in the past.
>
> > - How does deprecation work? Is there a voting process?
>
> It is possible to use the proposal process [3] to deprecate a tag. This
> involves a fair amount of work, and people sometimes come out of the
> woodwork to oppose even common-sense deprecation proposals. [4] If
> deprecating an uncommon tag would be uncontroversial, an alternative
> would be to unilaterally document it as an "possible synonyms" in a big
> red box. [5] But that approach should only be used when there's not much
> to discuss, and editor developers may wait to see if the deprecation
> sticks before acting on it.
>
> [1]
> <
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Homonymous_keys#Refining_the_feature_versus_something_tangential_to_it
> >
> [2] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Special:Diff/1610243
> [3] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposal_process
> [4] https://xkcd.com/1172/
> [5] https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Template:PossibleSynonym
>
> --
> minh at nguyen.cincinnati.oh.us
>
>
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