[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - net for sports pitches

[martianfreeloader]

I think the tag is very helpful. I'd find it a pity if we'd not be able 
to approve a simple yes/no tag.

Yes, in some cases, it may be more complicated than that, but what about 
the majority of cases where the answer is very clear and simple?

You could argue in similar fashion against almost all other tagging schemes:
- sidewalk=left/right/both : What if it exists only on 90% of the length?
- covered=yes/no : What if it is only partially of sometimes covered?
- internet=yes/no : What if only some parts of the cafe have wifi?
- capacity=* for a parking lot: What if it doesn't have clear markings 
and depending on the size of vehicles and the way people park it can 
hold anything from 40 to 50 cars?
- colour=* : What if some parts of the building have a different colour?
- the list could go on forever

For any tagging scheme given, you will always be able to construct cases 
where they break.

On 29/05/2022 19:29, Dave F via Tagging wrote:
> IMO What's being discussed here just isn't standardised enough to be 
> accurate. Groundsman can decide on a day to day basis. It varies too 
> often & tags are rarely updated.
> 
> I don't even bother adding opening times to shops for a similar reason. 
> I just add the website & leave it to owners who will be the first to 
> know when they change their times.
> 
> DaveF
> 
> 
> On 29/05/2022 17:03, martianfreeloader wrote:
>> Is there any reason not to give the pitch itself an opening_hours tag 
>> as well? (of which the value might differ from [usually be a subset 
>> of] the club's opening hours)
>>
>> On 29/05/2022 17:20, Dave F wrote:
>>> Opening hours would be for the club/facility as a whole.
>>> Martin is talking about individual courts.
>>>
>>> These can unavailable for various reasons at random times - grass 
>>> courts are often rotated to allow regrowth at times of heavy usage.
>>>
>>> The inconsistency in the times a net is removed makes tagging it 
>>> almost impossible & just not really worth the effort.
>>>
>>> Davef
>>>
>>>
>>> On 29/05/2022 14:08, martianfreeloader wrote:
>>>> I think a combination of net=yes/no + opening_hours=* should be 
>>>> sufficient for almost all places which have a net only during 
>>>> certain periods. I'd expect most places either have a net during 
>>>> opening hours or do not have net during opening hours.
>>>>
>>>> There should be only very few cases with awkward combinations like 
>>>> opening_hours=14:00-20:00 + net available only from 15:30 to 18:00 
>>>> or so. Should this actually be the case somewhere, then I think 
>>>> net=no + description=* would be a way to capture this.
>>>>
>>>> From private property (like clubs), an additional access=no would of 
>>>> course be advisable, as Dave has pointed out.
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On 29/05/2022 14:35, Dave F via Tagging wrote:
>>>>>  From the wiki:
>>>>> "net=no, indicating that you have to bring your own net"
>>>>>
>>>>> No it doesn't. it means there isn't a net.
>>>>> For clubs & municipal pitches, removal of a net is usually to 
>>>>> indicate that the pitch is not to be played on - access=no.
>>>>>
>>>>> DaveF
>>>>>
>>>>> On 28/05/2022 19:38, Martin Fischer wrote:
>>>>>> Hi all,
>>>>>>
>>>>>> I am proposing that we encourage sports pitches, where the sport 
>>>>>> requires a net,
>>>>>> to be tagged with net=yes or net=no to denote the presence or 
>>>>>> absence of a net
>>>>>> (opposed to mapping the net as a separate way with barrier=net).
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Link to proposal:
>>>>>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/net
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Please discuss this proposal on its Wiki Talk page.
>>>>>>
>>>>>> Thank you!
>>>>>>
>>>>>> -Martin
>>>>>>
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