[Tagging] Feature Proposal - RFC - Power utility office

[Dimitar]

 > What evidence do you have that is the case?  What is being provided 
is energy, not power.

 From Cambridge dictionary:
power - electricity, especially when considering its use or production
energy - the power from something such as electricity or oil that can do 
work, such as providing light and heat
 From Meram-Webster
power - a source or means of supplying energy
energy - usable power (such as heat or electricity)

 > ...and if we mean electricity, why not use that in the tag?

Because the current value has been documented by someone in 2016 when it 
had about 100 uses or less.

 > A more general issue is that often utilities provide more than one 
service.  Xcel, which operates in parts of the US, provides both 
electricity and natural gas (the latter which is technically energy 
too).  In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned utility provides 
electricity, water, sewer, and internet.

 > That's something which is not common in Europe. The only close such 
case is an power company (EVN) which operates power infrastructure, 
heating infrastructure and sells power in the same area but these 
activities are separated in subsidiaries. Is that the case in the US or 
Xcel does not have subsidiaries for the different economic activities?

 > There is no subsidiary.

Then using office=utility + utility=gas;power might be a good idea. What 
do you think?

On 18/11/2022 23:51, Mike Thompson wrote:
>
>
> On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 2:46 PM Dimitar <osm.dimitar155 at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Energy and power are used quite interchangeably and power is the
>     better word for it.
>
> What evidence do you have that is the case?  What is being provided is 
> energy, not power.
> ...and if we mean electricity, why not use that in the tag?
>
>
>     > A more general issue is that often utilities provide more than
>     one service.  Xcel, which operates in parts of the US, provides
>     both electricity and natural gas (the latter which is technically
>     energy too).  In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned
>     utility provides electricity, water, sewer, and internet.
>
>     That's something which is not common in Europe. The only close
>     such case is an power company (EVN) which operates power
>     infrastructure, heating infrastructure and sells power in the same
>     area but these activities are separated in subsidiaries. Is that
>     the case in the US or Xcel does not have subsidiaries for the
>     different economic activities?
>
> There is no subsidiary.
>
> Mike
>
>     On 18/11/2022 23:31, Mike Thompson wrote:
>>     Technically what the electric utility is selling is energy, not
>>     power.  One gets billed for kilowatt-hours, not kilowatts.  See
>>     [0].  However, colloquially, the terms power and energy when it
>>     comes to electric utilities are used interchangeably, although
>>     "power company" seems to be favored vs. "energy company" in the
>>     US where I live. If we want to be clear, why not
>>     office=electric_utility (if that is what we mean)?
>>
>>     A more general issue is that often utilities provide more than
>>     one service.  Xcel, which operates in parts of the US, provides
>>     both electricity and natural gas (the latter which is technically
>>     energy too).  In a nearby city to where I live, the city owned
>>     utility provides electricity, water, sewer, and internet.
>>
>>     Mike
>>
>>
>>     [0] https://energyeducation.ca/encyclopedia/Energy_vs_power
>>
>>     On Fri, Nov 18, 2022 at 12:56 PM Dimitar
>>     <osm.dimitar155 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>         Hello.
>>
>>         I’m
>>         [proposing](https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Proposed_features/Power_utility_office)
>>
>>         to introduce a new tag for power utility offices
>>         (office=power_utility)
>>         and deprecate the existing one (office=energy_supplier). The
>>         rationale
>>         behind this idea is that energy_supplier can be confusing to
>>         most people.
>>
>>
>>         Please comment wherever you feel most comfortable:
>>
>>         * Here
>>         * On the wiki talk page
>>         * On the community forum
>>
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