[Tagging] How to Tag Steps in a Bridleway

[Jens Glad Balchen]

1) true, but wouldn't that by default be all steps unless otherwise 
noted? I guess in this case it's assumed that the steps inherit their 
implicit access from bridleway, so that might be different from the 
general case...?
2) a noble cause, but again I would think that excluding bicycle=no from 
such a list of places would be more beneficial than including bicycle=yes
3) of course

At any rate, the worst outcome of this is redundant information in OSM, 
which isn't so bad all things considered :)

Jens

On 29.04.2024 12:49, Mateusz Konieczny via Tagging wrote:
> 1) at least some people may be interested in places where cycling across
> steps is legal (not fan of MTBing etc but at least some people like it?
> not really sure here about whether it is actually something that people
> look for )
>
> 2) people may be interested in places where cyclists nominally have
> right of the way but actual infrastructure is not suitable for cycling
>
> 3) yes, routers need to look also on other tags and process various
> obstacles (see also surface=sand and so
>
> And in general meaning is clear: these are steps were cyclist are
> allowed to cycle.
>
> Note it does not mean that cycling is feasible or a good idea there.
>
> Apr 29, 2024, 08:36 by tagging at openstreetmap.org:
>
>     Generally speaking, how do we reconcile these two?
>
>     bicycle=yes
>     highway=steps
>
>     What is a data consumer supposed to infer from this as opposed to
>     just highway=steps? As long as foot=designated, aren't cyclists
>     always allowed to get off the bike and push/carry it? And wouldn't
>     they have to when there are steps?
>
>     Jens
>
>     On 28/04/2024 21:35, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:
>>     Hi DaveF,
>>
>>     Acting on advice, I have already split the Bridleway and
>>     re-tagged 2 sections as:
>>
>>     bicycle=yes
>>     designation=public_bridleway
>>     foot=designated
>>     highway=steps
>>     horse=designated
>>     incline=down  (or up)
>>     lit=no
>>     surface=paved
>>
>>     The steps can be seen on aerial imagery (a bit fuzzy on Bing, but
>>     particularly clear in the aerial imagery whose name shall not be
>>     mentioned in OSM), plus I remember running through there a few 
>>     months ago, so I know that the steps are there.  I intend to
>>     visit again soon and add more detail (number of steps, etc.)
>>
>>     Between these is a section of the orignal way, which is now
>>     https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/1277843368
>>
>>     I hope this helps and that you agree with the tagging.
>>
>>     Regards,
>>     Peter
>>
>>     (PeterPan99)
>>
>>
>>     On Sunday, 28 April 2024 at 17:35:58 BST, Dave F via Tagging
>>     <tagging at openstreetmap.org> <mailto:tagging at openstreetmap.org> wrote:
>>
>>
>>     Could you provide the link to the OSM way please?
>>     DaveF
>>
>>     On 28/04/2024 15:19, Peter Neale via Tagging wrote:
>>>     Advice, please.
>>>
>>>     A local Public Bridleway has a few (3, 4 or 5 from Aerial
>>>     imagery) steps going down before it passes under a road bridge,
>>>     and a similar number up again on the other side.
>>>
>>>     How can I best tag this? According to the wiki, "highway=steps"
>>>     seems to be *an alternative to*, not *a qualification of *
>>>     "highway=bridleway". I don't want to mislead consumers by
>>>     breaking the bridleway, but I don't want cycling consumers to be
>>>     unaware of the fact that there are a few steps to descend /
>>>     ascend, which may require a dismount.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>>     Regards,
>>>     Peter
>>>
>>>     (PeterPan99)
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