[Tagging] [OSM-talk] make water sources more usable by marking disused ones with lifecycle prefix, rather than extra tags like operational_status = out_of_order

[bkil]

I hate it when random mappers delete and then add water taps to the
same place every year. They switch some (but not all) of them off for
the winter to protect against freezing. They reason that as the
suspense in operation is longer than 1 month, it's following best
practice. I beg to differ.

On Sat, Apr 12, 2025 at 7:58 PM Greg Troxel <gdt at lexort.com> wrote:
>
> Niels Elgaard Larsen <elgaard at agol.dk> writes:
>
> > Martin Koppenhoefer:
> >> Am Fr., 11. Apr. 2025 um 20:49 Uhr schrieb Niels Elgaard Larsen
> >> <elgaard at agol.dk <mailto:elgaard at agol.dk>>:
> >>     I have added and updated many water_point s.
> >>     Sometimes they do not work.
> >>     But what if is just temporarily?
> >> then someone who sees it working can switch it back to active.
> >
> > Most likely nobody will see it because who searches for disabled PIO's?
> >
> > And I and many other mostly use OSM offline with e.g., OsmAnd.
> >
> > So if a water point is out of service for a week before someone fix
> > it, then it might take a month before I can find it with OsmAnd.
> >
> > That is the reason that the wiki says not to use the construction to
> > tag such short-term closures of ways.
>
> Sure, for closures less than a month or so.  But I think this discussion
> is mostly about longer-term breakage where there is no expectation of
> fixing soon.
>
> Arguably, osmand should show a disused: entity perhaps grayed out and
> maybe only at higher zoom, as that's useful informmation for someone.
> Perhaps configurable.   That's an improvement for a particular rendered.
>
> My point is that we shouldn't leave things in the db marked as actually
> existing because if they were properly marked some renderer might not
> show it to someone who might have wished to know about it.
>
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