[talk-au] Cycling network tag

[Warin]

On 15/12/2014 1:22 PM, Steve Bennett wrote:
> On Wed, Dec 10, 2014 at 10:02 AM, Nicholas Barker 
> <nicholasbarker1 at gmail.com <mailto:nicholasbarker1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
>
>     Hi Steve/Frank
>
>     As for routes i believe that it should only be tagged if its
>     signed as a route or there is other strong evidence of it being a
>     route...Wikipedia entry below
>
>     A *route* is a customary or regular line of passage or travel,
>     often *_predetermined and publicized_*. Routes consist of paths
>     taken repeatedly by people and vehicles
>
>
> Sounds good to me. I'd emphasise the presence of some kind of physical 
> signage, even if it's a bit sparse and incomplete.
>
>
>     I will only tag a LCN/RCN/NCN route if i either see:
>     Signs
>     Plans from authorities that 'own' the infrastructure (softcopy or
>     hardcopy) - e.g. a councils 'cycling plan'
>     Literature from associations that have the backing of the 'owning
>     authority' - e.g. scenic routes such as the
>     Mawson/Kidman/Goldfields Trek etc.
>
>
> Agreed.
Dissagreee for the following reason. If I chose to take a motor vehicle 
from one town to another I have excellent guides as to the route to take 
- motorways, primary highways etc are all identified. If I chose to take 
the bicycle .. there is little in the way of identified good routes to 
take in OSM here .. I don't even 'know' if the highways have a wide 
shoulder. I so take a much broader view of identifying and marking 
bicycle routes. Is it bicycle friendly, safe .. and the 'best' way and 
in use? Then it should be marked and mapped.
>
>     for a one off event/bike ride - someone once tagged an 'organised
>     and popular cycle ride' that occurred only once along the route
>     they tagged. This is wrong and just cluttering the map with
>     useless information. The following year the event used a
>     completely different route anyway...
>     just because the tagger thought it was a 'nice route/ride' - had
>     one of these tagged through western Victoria - its still there i
>     think.
>
>
> Yeah, I think we just need to encourage these people to go to more 
> suitable places like bikely, mapmyride, strava...
If that is the 'best' bicycle route between those points then I'd leave 
it. Particularly if it is the only route in that area.
>
>
>     HOWEVER.....MTB routes are a whole different kettle of fish i
>     think which needs some more discussion/guidelines as the feature
>     is used in a more 'unofficial' way with route suggestions from
>     users etc. I am guilty of tagging mtb friendly singletracks as
>     'routes' purely so other MTBers are aware that they are legal,
>     ride-able and fun...
>
>
> Also agreed. mtb=yes is one way of doing that. I would prefer that 
> route=mtb means there is some kind of official backing behind it, 
> including a rating, but I definitely your need, and I don't think it 
> causes many problems.
I'd like to see the same attitude to marking 'road' bicycle routes too.. 
where their is a suitable official route that should be preferred. But a 
lot of our country has no official routes .. and even some of those may 
be marked on a map .. but don't exist on the ground.
>
>
>     Maybe there needs to be a different tag that isnt a route but
>     shows up in opencyclemap as 'MTB suggested'
>
>
>  IMHO, don't be too fixated on OpenCycleMap. The styling is pretty 
> ugly, the maintainer isn't especially open to feedback, and doesn't 
> seem to care all that much about tagging outside the UK.
>
> A site I run, http://cycletour.org, does show mtb=yes tags (a pink halo).

Good .. motor vehicle maps show both motorways and tracks .. I see no 
reason why bicycle maps should not show all types of bicycle routes 
'road' or mtb .. after all mtb can take 'road' routes .. and some 'road' 
bicycles can take easy mtb routes. And both want to know where bicycle 
shops are, and probably bicycle parking, etc.

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Presently I'm removing some 'cycle lane' tags .. where there is no cycle 
lane in those locations.. and some footways with bicycle=yes.. again not 
there. They may have been marked up that way .. as a 'route' indication 
.. so I'm removing what is not there.. I might tag them as a route .. 
once I've been along it.

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