[talk-au] Distinguishing between low-friction and high-friction shared paths

Sam Russell g.samuelrussell at gmail.com
Mon Apr 4 06:28:45 UTC 2016


I'll raise you bicycle=designated ;; width=0.15 ;; in City of Sydney two
years ago even... old South Sydney Council playing funny buggers with the
regulations to make cycling lawful either side of a major road where the
lane-width footpath was breached by a cul-de-sac.

NSW's specifications for bicycle infrastructure areā€¦ interesting.  But far
too often they've resulted in sub-standard infrastructure due to
engineering allowances, and the habit of building transport or commuter
infrastructure as shared leisure paths with meandering that reduces the
practicable speed well below the design maximum of 30 km/h.  There are
redesignated footpaths I prefer to some RMS bicycle "infrastructure."
 Lane-width footpaths without side streets for example.

One concrete tagging example:
I'm happy with the eventual results of the editing over the difference
between
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/174743358
and
https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/183802804

The former is designated and pleasant to ride on (more so than Lenthall)
The latter is a standard footpath narrowed to duckboard width by
obstructions, but legal to ride on because of how Shared Use Path
regulations work.

bicycle=designated/yes/permissive for the lawful right to cycle
smoothness, width, for the path quality

People seem to be in general agreement on what infrastructure constitutes
track
sidewalk / footpath
cycleway
even if it is a summation of who uses it for what, how wide, how it was
designed, etc.

Sam.

On 4 April 2016 at 09:25, Ian Sergeant <inas66+osm at gmail.com> wrote:

> Well, for NSW at least there are some guidelines for what constitutes
> a cycleway..
>
>
> http://www.rms.nsw.gov.au/business-industry/partners-suppliers/documents/technical-manuals/nswbicyclev12aa_i.pdf
>
> In other states, that permit cycling on footpaths, it also makes sense
> to distinguish what is a footpath on which you are permitted to cycle,
> from a shared path.
>
> So, its not just a cultural habit.  It's a tagging style that conveys
> the nature of the facility.
>
> Thinking of Botany Bay Council in particular, here.  highway=footway,
> bicycle=designated, width=.7
>
> Ian.
>
> On 3 April 2016 at 13:01, Sam Russell <g.samuelrussell at gmail.com> wrote:
> > On 3/09/2015 1:35 PM, Chris wrote:
> >> Hello, I am new to this group and have a question about pedestrian and
> >> bicycle shared paths. I can't find anything in the archives.
> >>
> >> In NSW, shared paths fall into two broad categories:
> >
> > You're confusing highway= and bicycle=yes / bicycle=designated which
> relate
> > to render hinting and the lawful uses with the physical infrastructure.
> >
> >
> > bicycle=yes can be on stairs.  dirt.  It is a lawful right to use, ie:
> the
> > road related area extended from or towards a Shared Use Path sign, Sep
> Path
> > sign, Cycleway sign (bicycle only), council reserve / park non-road
> related
> > area (IANAL on that one) etc.
> >
> >> (1) Sidewalk footpaths that have been designated as shared paths. In
> >
> > Tag the material features and let routing software figure it out
> >
> > width=0.6 or width=0.8 or width=1 or width=1.2
> >
> > smoothness=excellent; good; intermediate; bad
> >
> > surface=concrete etc.
> >
> > maxspeed=50 ; 40 ; 10
> >
> > maxspeed:advisory=10
> >
> > maxspeed:practical=5;10;15
> >
> > incline=up;down;15%;etc
> >
> > traffic_calming=bollard;chicane
> >
> > steps=yes
> >
> > ramp:bicycle=no
> >
> >
> > I've noticed that people have a cultural habit of tagging highway=footway
> > for paths narrower than 1.5m constructed as footpaths and later
> designated,
> > whereas paths >=1.5m regardless tend to stay as highway=cycleway when
> > tagged.
> >
> >
> > thanks,
> > Sam.
> >
> >
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