[talk-au] POI - address details

Daniel O'Connor daniel.oconnor at gmail.com
Tue Apr 16 03:23:14 UTC 2019


My preference is to infer; because suburbs have a nasty habit of changing
their boundaries and postcodes very frequently.

On Tue, Apr 16, 2019 at 11:23 AM Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> On Mon, 15 Apr 2019 at 23:01, Sebastian Spiess <mapping at consebt.de> wrote:
>
>> Hi list,
>>
>> this question originates from the discussion about the NSW address
>> import, see here:
>> https://gitlab.com/dionmoult/osm-nsw-address-import/issues/7
>>
>> My view is that addresses are more than just the Street name and house
>> number (plus Unit number).
>>
>> When I put POIs on the map I also add City, postcode and state - the
>> full address.
>>
>> I understand that this information might be redundant as the city or
>> suburb boundary is 'passing' it down, however to me the address is
>> incomplete for the POI.
>>
>> When using data consumers they do not necessary pass down the city to
>> the POI and it will be missing in their listing, e.g. when searching.
>>
>> What are the views here?
>>
>
> Repeating a comment made on that Gitlab discussion
>
> "My understanding is that we don't need to include this data, because it
> is possible to automatically infer the city and state from the boundaries,
> which are already in OSM.
>
> For instance, here is a link to what happens
> <https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=44-60%20Menangle%20Street%2C%20Picton#map=19/-34.16984/150.61256>
> when I use the OSM <https://openstreetmap.org> website to search for 44-60
> Menangle Street, Picton.
> Note the result from Nominatim includes the council area, the state, the
> postcode and the country. But if you click on it, you will find that the
> way only includes the addr:housenumber, addr:street and building tags."
>
> I've just tried it for a few addresses in my area eg 4 Pipit Parade
> Burleigh Waters to get "No results found"
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=4%20Pipit%20Parade%20Burleigh%20Waters#map=15/-28.0748/153.4368
>
> but a search as just 4 Pipit Parade returns
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/search?query=4%20Pipit%20Parade#map=19/-28.07430/153.42918,
> including "suburb" (but it's actually not), city, state, postcode, country;
> & when you click on that reference, you get
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/node/4305436990, which shows the suburb
> correctly as Burleigh Waters, not Miami - & I created that address, so I
> know how it was loaded! :-)
>
> AFAIK, there are no suburb boundaries yet loaded for the Gold Coast area,
> so it would appear ? that the system is possibly selecting the physically
> closest shown suburb name as the suburb, rather than the actual suburb that
> has been loaded as part of the address?
>
> Does that sound feasible?
>
> If so, it's wrong, so how do we correct it?
>
> Incidentally, OSMand correctly finds 4 Pipit Parade, Burleigh Waters, but
> will also find it if you search via Miami, but then displays it as Burleigh
> Waters.
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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