[talk-au] Anzacathon and mapping possibilities

[Daniel Pocock]

On 21/04/2020 09:53, Greg Lauer wrote:
> Hi Daniel,
> 
> As both a (very amateur) military historian who has visited many of
> battlefields/CWG's through the Asia Pacific, Africa and Europe, as well
> as an Open Data proponent, I really like what you are trying to do. But...
> 
> The terms and conditions of OSM in relation to data imports is fairly
> clear - unless the data is already licensed under an Open Data Commons
> Open Database License (ODbL) then you will need (preferably written)
> permission from the copyright holder. 
> 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines#Step_3_-_License_approval  
> 
> A cursory glance at each of the providers websites does not indicate
> that they have licensed under ODbL. Yes, this is pain, but it is the
> only way OSM can ensure that the data can be legally used. Feel free to
> send them an email asking if they will give permission to make there
> data available in OSM. I can send you a template letter that
> explains the licensing conditions to the copyright holder. The CWGC data
> set would be great as a global dataset!

I've sent the emails but even if they don't respond before the weekend,
I still feel that people can do useful activities with the data, even if
it is not an import to OSM just yet

The OSM site has a compatibility table, the UK Open Government License
(OGL v3.0) is listed as an alternative to the ODbL
http://www.nationalarchives.gov.uk/doc/open-government-licence/version/3/

Therefore, I asked CWGC to consider both of those possibilities.


> The use of OSM within a web service (such as the CWGC) has no
> relationship to whether we can incorporate and/or import the said data
> sets into OSM. Again unless explicit permission is given it will need to
> be requested.
> 
> Do you actually need to integrate the data sets into OSM? You seem
> fairly talented at data wrangling and my suggestion would be build your
> web services using OSM as a base map, and make the ancillary data
> available as a separate overlay. This way you will not potentially
> breach the terms and conditions of the OSM licence (but still please
> check with the data providers that you can use that data in this way).
> There are multiple other ways that you can display the data sets with
> out actually integrating into OSM.
> 
> I look forward to seeing the completed product!

Please note I'm not personally volunteering to do everything described
on the Anzacathon page.  My own aim is to provide a data pipeline /
platform for people to be creative.

If anybody has time to promote the Anzacathon link or video through
their own communities or online channels that would help, even if you
don't have time to participate.

If you know of similar initiatives for Anzac Day, I'm also happy to
include them on the links page.

Another issue for me is to decide on a single communications platform
for participants.  Some hackathons are using Slack, for example, but I
don't want to encourage things that are not really open.  Are there any
more open platforms that are popular with the mapping community or other
like-minded people?

Regards,

Daniel