[talk-au] Fire Station Operators

[Andrew Harvey]

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On Mon, 27 Jan 2020 at 07:35, Sebastian S. <mapping at consebt.de> wrote:

> Hi Graeme,
> I tried to fix some of the skipped ones, however only in one case I could
> find a reference website from RFS or RFB. I however was able to add two
> fire stations that where missing, the base map is your friend here.
> Adding 220 stations via searching the base map is however not a sensible
> way of doing it.
>
>
> On 26 January 2020 12:29:29 pm AEDT, Graeme Fitzpatrick <
> graemefitz1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>> & done! (apart from ~17 that are too hard, mainly because I can't see if
>> there actually is a Station in that spot / area)
>>
>> However, there were "only" 718 listed. Earlier, Warin mentioned 944
>> stations in the database, & I've spotted 3 that I know of that weren't
>> listed (or previously mapped).
>>
>> How do we find the extra 220 odd?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
>>
>> On Thu, 9 Jan 2020 at 11:10, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> Agreed as to non fire stations - control center is one, the other
>>> headquarters.
>>>
>>> Headquarters would be an 'office' type function.
>>>
>>> Control center looks, from imagery, to not only control but supply?
>>>
>>> There is a fire & rescue station in 'town' that is mapped into OSM.
>>>
>>> There are a number of rural fire stations around Narrabri .. some of
>>> them unmapped.
>>> These show up very well on the LPI Base Map even when zoomed out a fair
>>> way.
>>>
>>>
>>>
>>> On 9/1/20 8:12 am, Andrew Harvey wrote:
>>>
>>>
>>> On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 22:40, Sebastian Spiess <mapping at consebt.de>
>>> wrote:
>>>
>>>> I've done a few. Two raised questions.
>>>>
>>>> Narrabri - There are two fire ' services'  according to LPI map. How to
>>>> tag them?
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/79336523
>>>
>>>
>>> Looks like there is a Fire Control Center there, I'd just tag that
>>> building as office=government + operator + name, since they have more of an
>>> office function.
>>>
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> and RAYMOND TERRACE Fire Station - This seems to be and old fire
>>>> station
>>>> as according to https://www.fire.nsw.gov.au/news.php?news=608
>>>> a new one was built. I can't tell if the old one was closed down.
>>>>
>>>> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/79336870
>>>
>>>
>>> If you're not sure and street level imagery doesn't help, just mark it
>>> as too hard and skip it. You can create a note so that someone with local
>>> knowledge can help.
>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> Am 2020-01-08 21:24, schrieb Andrew Harvey:
>>>> > If someone has carefully surveyed the name as signposted I leave that
>>>> > intact. branch is not mandatory but helpful since consumers can choose
>>>> > how they want to format the such as "Narooma", "Narooma RFS", "Narooma
>>>> > Rural Fire Brigade", etc. especially when combined with operator. The
>>>> > whole point was to be neutral on the exact name format and not engage
>>>> > in a mass edit to reformat them to be the same, but instead respect
>>>> > names will look different based on signage.
>>>> >
>>>> > On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 21:05, Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >
>>>> >> I have used the LPI Base Map for both name and operator, see
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Way: Narooma Fire Station (761122699) [operator fire & rescue]
>>>> >>
>>>> >> and
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Way: Narooma Rural Fire Service (761122698)
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I do not bother with the 'branch' as that is usually the leading
>>>> >> value in the name and probably the same as the areas administration
>>>> >> name too.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> The LPI Base Map also gives the area so it can be mapped as a way.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On 08/01/20 16:13, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> No, just confirming details was all I was thinking about!
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Graeme
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 14:57, Andrew Harvey
>>>> >> <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> It's normally considered okay to check a business website as a
>>>> >> reference and picking up their contact details, but to err on the
>>>> >> side of caution taking a whole database from fire.nsw.gov.au [1] and
>>>> >> mass importing is not advised.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> So I'd suggest not just copying everything from that website. For
>>>> >> the RFS operated fire stations normally the name will indicate this,
>>>> >> or a quick look at google search results may also indicate,
>>>> >> sometimes it's visible on Mapillary based on the signage.
>>>> >>
>>>> >> On Wed, 8 Jan 2020 at 15:39, Graeme Fitzpatrick
>>>> >> <graemefitz1 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Just a thought?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Are we allowed to use  https://www.fire.nsw.gov.au/page.php?id=467
>>>> >> or not?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> I've thinking we would still need permission & waiver?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Big question, I guess, is - are we commercial or not?
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Thanks
>>>> >>
>>>> >> Graeme
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> >
>>>> > Links:
>>>> > ------
>>>> > [1] http://fire.nsw.gov.au
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