[talk-au] Are Health Centres, hospitals

[cleary]

Graeme, In regard to your question about copyright.  

Reading what is stated by Queensland Health on its website, as you have quoted it, I think that taking the information and incorporating into OSM is one of the areas that requires the permission of Queensland Health. 



On Mon, 7 Sep 2020, at 12:17 AM, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> Continuing on with this, I've started looking at hospitals shown on the 
> Overpass search & updating their details based purely on a search for 
> "Whichever Hospital" (& have so far already found another normal 
> medical centre tagged as a hospital!). 
> 
> All of the search results that I've looked at so far have referred back 
> to this Qld Health page:https://www.health.qld.gov.au/services, so I'm  
> wondering whether we're allowed to use it, to access details of all Qld 
> hospitals?
> 
> Health copyright 
> (https://www.health.qld.gov.au/global/copyright-statement) is shown as 
> being under a Creative Commons Attribution No Derivatives 3.0 Australia 
> <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/3.0/au/deed.en> licence, & 
> states
> "In essence, you are free to copy and communicate the work in its 
> current form, as long as you attribute Queensland Health as the source 
> of the copyright material and abide by the licence terms".
> 
> The link for further permission to use their copyright material says:
> "Queensland Health permission is required to: 
> 
>  * adapt material from the Queensland Health website or other source 
> where it is not expressly permitted by a copyright notice or Creative 
> Commons licence.
> 
>  * use material from the Queensland Health website or other source in a 
> manner that is expressly prohibited by the copyright notice or Creative 
> Commons licence.
> 
> Queensland Health permission is *not required to: *
> 
> * * * * provide a hyperlink to any Queensland Health internet page from 
> another website*
> 
>  * do any act that is expressly permitted by a copyright notice or 
> creative commons licence on the material. 
> 
>  * print, download or *communicate whole or parts of documents sourced 
> from any Queensland Health internet page*, provided that it is not 
> expressly prohibited by a copyright notice or Creative Commons licence, 
> the source is attributed (see below) and the material remains 
> unaltered."
> 
> So, would we need to go through the full permission & waiver process to 
> use data off that Health page?
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Graeme
> 
> 
> On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 09:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com> wrote:
> > 
> > 
> > 
> > On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 20:25, Ewen Hill <ewen.hill at gmail.com> wrote:
> >> We also have the grey area of Bush Nursing Centres that are clearly not hospitals but are the best place to head to in an emergency and may be the difference when you are looking at two equal sized communities. The ten staff sounds arbitrary. 
> >> 
> >> Shouldn't the difference be based on the capability of the premises to resuscitate, handle compound fractures and prolong life until the patient can be moved to a more appropriate facility rather than a "must have ten medical staff"?
> > 
> > Good points, Ewen. 
> > 
> > Thanks, everyone - you've convinced me that I was looking at it the wrong way & that these type of facilities should stay as hospitals.
> > 
> >>   Further more, should it be defined as "an official hospital or the first place of medical support in a rural setting"?
> > 
> > You're probably correct but I think we'd have issues changing the main definition of hospital, as it wouldn't suit the Western European / US point of view :-( 
> > 
> > As Cleary mentioned earlier: "Perhaps the Australian Guidelines should permit the "hospital" tag where that is consistent with usage of the term by the local community, would be a lot easier to do, so I'll make that amendment if there's no major objection? 
> > 
> > Thanks
> > 
> > Graeme
> > 
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