[talk-au] Are Health Centres, hospitals

[Ewen Hill]

Hi Graeme,
  You may also want to look at the National Health Services Directory
operated by Health Direct which maybe where this information comes from.
See https://about.healthdirect.gov.au/nhsd however the chances of getting a
waiver has about the same probability of me getting a beer over a bar atm.

Ewen

On Mon, 7 Sep 2020 at 10:19, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Continuing on with this, I've started looking at hospitals shown on the
> Overpass search & updating their details based purely on a search for
> "Whichever Hospital" (& have so far already found another normal medical
> centre tagged as a hospital!).
>
> All of the search results that I've looked at so far have referred back to
> this Qld Health page:https://www.health.qld.gov.au/services, so I'm
> wondering whether we're allowed to use it, to access details of all Qld
> hospitals?
>
> Health copyright (https://www.health.qld.gov.au/global/copyright-statement)
> is shown as being under a Creative Commons Attribution No Derivatives 3.0
> Australia <http://creativecommons.org/licenses/by-nd/3.0/au/deed.en>
> licence, & states
> "In essence, you are free to copy and communicate the work in its current
> form, as long as you attribute Queensland Health as the source of the
> copyright material and abide by the licence terms".
>
> The link for further permission to use their copyright material says:
>
> "Queensland Health permission is required to:
>
>    -
>
>    adapt material from the Queensland Health website or other source
>    where it is not expressly permitted by a copyright notice or Creative
>    Commons licence.
>    -
>
>    use material from the Queensland Health website or other source in a
>    manner that is expressly prohibited by the copyright notice or Creative
>    Commons licence.
>
> Queensland Health permission is *not required to: *
>
>    -
>
>    * provide a hyperlink to any Queensland Health internet page from
>    another website*
>    -
>
>    do any act that is expressly permitted by a copyright notice or
>    creative commons licence on the material.
>    -
>
>    print, download or *communicate whole or parts of documents sourced
>    from any Queensland Health internet page*, provided that it is not
>    expressly prohibited by a copyright notice or Creative Commons licence, the
>    source is attributed (see below) and the material remains unaltered."
>
> So, would we need to go through the full permission & waiver process to
> use data off that Health page?
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Sat, 5 Sep 2020 at 09:28, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
>>
>>
>>
>> On Fri, 4 Sep 2020 at 20:25, Ewen Hill <ewen.hill at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> We also have the grey area of Bush Nursing Centres that are clearly not
>>> hospitals but are the best place to head to in an emergency and may be the
>>> difference when you are looking at two equal sized communities. The ten
>>> staff sounds arbitrary.
>>>
>>> Shouldn't the difference be based on the capability of the premises to
>>> resuscitate, handle compound fractures and prolong life until the patient
>>> can be moved to a more appropriate facility rather than a "must have ten
>>> medical staff"?
>>>
>>
>> Good points, Ewen.
>>
>> Thanks, everyone - you've convinced me that I was looking at it the wrong
>> way & that these type of facilities should stay as hospitals.
>>
>>   Further more, should it be defined as "an official hospital or the
>>> first place of medical support in a rural setting"?
>>>
>>
>> You're probably correct but I think we'd have issues changing the main
>> definition of hospital, as it wouldn't suit the Western European / US point
>> of view :-(
>>
>> As Cleary mentioned earlier: "Perhaps the Australian Guidelines should
>> permit the "hospital" tag where that is consistent with usage of the term
>> by the local community, would be a lot easier to do, so I'll make that
>> amendment if there's no major objection?
>>
>> Thanks
>>
>> Graeme
>>
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Ewen Hill
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