[talk-au] Camp_sites discussion

[Warin]

On 21/4/21 9:36 pm, Bob Cameron wrote:
> My thought is that OSM really only uses camp_site as a grouping 
> mechanism for anywhere someone may stay (at least overnight) that 
> isn't a fixed place of residence, but not a motel etc. Apart from 
> caravan_site I don't see any others. ie "camp" is not the 
> grass/dirt/sand only thing.

OSM maps 'official' sites.. where you can stay 'legally'. As far as I 
know. At least those are the ones I add/detail.

>
> I personally use the term quite loosely. I "camp" wherever I am.
>
> Yes s/c is another case I forgot to mention. There are different 
> versions of that too. Some allow grey water/ground dispersal. Others 
> require a storage tank for all waste water.
>
> I guess that in addition to caravan=yes/no, tent=yes/no and 
> motor_vehicle=yes/no there might be a need for self_contained_grey and 
> self_contained_black keys or that these be an option like;
>
> caravan=yes/no/scb/scg and motor_vehicle=yes/no/scb/scg

I would use another tag .. as it applies to all that stay there, 
tent/car/caravan/trailer_tent etc

e.g.

self_contained=yes - where self contained is required but you don't have 
any other details

self_contained=grey- where self contained is required and grey water 
disposal is provided

self_contained=black - where self contained is required and black water 
disposal is provided

self_contained=green - where self contained is required and no disposal 
of waste water is provided

self_contained=no - default ... No self contained requirement.

????

> (motor_vehicle covers motor-homes, vans and cars)
> Is this method of adding unusual values valid?


OSM "Any tag you like" ... but best to have an idea of how it fits with 
other tags and how many places would use it. If it does not 'fit' and 
'not numerous' someone could delete it.

>
> The opencamping website is a display of OSM data or standalone?

OSM data .. as an attempt to get people to improve campsite tagging.

Much like other quality assurance tools such as 'keep_right' etc.

>
>
> On 21/4/21 7:36 pm, Warin wrote:
>> What do you mean by 'camping'???
>>
>> In Tasmania and New Zealand there are places where 'self contained 
>> vehicles' (those with toileting facilities) can stay.
>>
>> Most of the time I have tent 'camped' ... meaning I like 
>> dirt/grass/sand to 'camp' on.
>> A surface of concrete or tar is not to my liking.  So the above 'self 
>> contained vehicles' sites don't suit me.
>> But I have used soem 'unconventional 'camp sites' .. church yards, 
>> cemeteries, parks, recreation grounds  (provided they don't have 
>> automatic sprinkles that turn on at 2 am) are 'suitable' in some 
>> places for me are 'camp grounds' ... but I would not like them mapped 
>> as such!
>>
>>
>> Also note the website
>> https://opencampingmap.org/#10/-41.9753/146.0797/0/0/bef
>> as an attempt to add information to camp sites in OSM.
>>
>>
>>
>

Graeme Note In previous wiki editions caravan sites excluded tents 
altogether.