[talk-au] Fwd: Camp_sites discussion

[Warin]

On 22/4/21 9:07 pm, Bob Cameron wrote:
>
> Hi Graeme
>
> Admitting ashamedly that I like nothing better than my OSM mkgmap 
> Garmin GPS device come up with any overnight viable stopping place 
> nearby.. This of course makes me biased, so I apologise for that...
>
> On 22/4/21 11:05 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
>> On Wed, 21 Apr 2021 at 18:46, Bob Cameron <bob3bob3 at skymesh.com.au 
>> <mailto:bob3bob3 at skymesh.com.au>> wrote:
>>
>>     tourism:camp_site.
>>
>>
>> I was looking at this just a couple of days ago, so thanks for 
>> bringing it up, Bob.
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site "is used 
>> to map a *campsite* (UK) or *campground* (North American): an area, 
>> usually divided into a number of pitches 
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_pitch>, where 
>> people can camp overnight using tents, camper vans or caravans (aka 
>> RVs or motorhomes)"
>>
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcaravan_site "is a 
>> place where people with caravans / motorhomes / recreational vehicles 
>> can stay overnight, or longer, in allotted spaces known as "pitches" 
>> or "sites" ... They may also have some space for tents. If a site is 
>> primarily for tents, it should be tagged as tourism 
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:tourism>=camp_site 
>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:tourism%3Dcamp_site>."
>>
>> To me, that suggests that camp-site should be taken to be tents only, 
>> & if you've got wheels of any sort between you & the ground, so car / 
>> camper trailer / caravan / motorhome etc, it should be a caravan-site?
>>
> I find it quite frustrating to see a caravan_site and camp_site come 
> up for the same entity.
>
I delete one or the other .. depending on how I see tents there. If it 
is mainly for caravans then it goes to caravans.
>
> I get the impression that caravan_site is in fact a subset of 
> camp_site and that table list tags under it (camp_site) would cover 
> any caravan use. One major difference is that the wiki also lists 
> toilets/showers as keys rather than just relying in amenity, whereas 
> caravan_site doesn't. Perhaps it is inferred?
>

I think the sub keys under camp/caravan site simply make later searches 
for them easier to get the amenities rather than the program having to 
search the area (enclosed .. or if it is a node then some area around 
the node).

> I tend to add individual amenity:toilet, amenity:shower etc as many 
> camping areas make these facilities available for non campers, 
> sometimes with a fee. It is not so common with more commercial caravan 
> parks, some even refuse to sell a (paid) shower from the insurance 
> liability standpoint. The same kind of variation happens with coin-op 
> laundries at caravan parks.
>
Pubs also can offer showers ... depending on where you are (+how you 
look and how they feel). Some roadhouses have showers too, mainly for 
truckers.

> I'd actually like to see the use of caravan_site discouraged but 
> that's probably more my bias peeking through.. Would some fast query 
> coder please get me the number of au camp_site and caravan_site 
> objects please.
>

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