[talk-au] Fwd: Use of Council data in OpenStreetMap

[Michael James]

As a local I can provide some more info

Toowoomba RC does not own all the data used in the online mapping system this is shown in the disclaimer when you open the maps.

Most of the data belongs to the State of Queensland (DERM) and as such the Council can’t provide the permission required.

Quoted ownership section :-

The map layers displayed in TRC's Online Mapping are compiled from a variety of sources. Many of the map layers in TRC's Online Mapping are based on digital cadastral data provided under licence to the Toowoomba Regional Council by the State of Queensland as represented by the Department of Environment and Resource Management. These digital cadastral data provided under licence are referred to as “licensed data”. The user of TRC's Online Mapping acknowledges and accepts that the State of Queensland is the owner of the intellectual property rights, including copyright in the licensed data. These conditions of use do not confer on the user of TRC's Online Mapping any rights of ownership in the licensed data. The user of TRC's Online Mapping acknowledges and accepts that Toowoomba Regional Council is the owner of the intellectual property rights, including copyright, in the information and data provided through TRC's Online Mapping, with the exception of licensed data. These conditions of use do not confer on the user of TRC's Online Mapping any rights of ownership in any data.

Michael


From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
Sent: Thursday, 9 December 2021 11:47 AM
To: OSM-Au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: [talk-au] Fwd: Use of Council data in OpenStreetMap

After being up that way on holidays a few weeks ago, I found out that Toowoomba Region Council have online maps for addresses etc:
https://www.tr.qld.gov.au/payments-self-service-laws/web-apps/mapping/12731-online-mapping-2.

Contacted Council to see if we could get permission to use them & this is the result.

So, does
"Council doesn’t have an Open Data Policy at this time so we can’t issue an approval for you to use the data"
+
"You are welcome to use the data as a reference if you are manually drawing in information"
mean that we can use it, or we can't?

Or is it a 50/50 - we can't import the data, but we can use it manually?

Thanks

Graeme

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From: Adam Purves <Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au<mailto:Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au>>
Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 at 09:38
Subject: RE: Use of Council data in OpenStreetMap
To: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com<mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com>>
Cc: Chris Fogarty <Chris.Fogarty at tr.qld.gov.au<mailto:Chris.Fogarty at tr.qld.gov.au>>, Sandra Sherriff <Sandra.Sherriff at tr.qld.gov.au<mailto:Sandra.Sherriff at tr.qld.gov.au>>

Hi Graeme,

Unfortunately, Council doesn’t have an Open Data Policy at this time so we can’t issue an approval for you to use the data (This is the mechanism by which Council would provide the requested approval).

You are welcome to use the data as a reference if you are manually drawing in information.

Kind regards,
Adam.

Adam Purves
Coordinator Geospatial Information Management (GIS)
Information Communication and Technology

Toowoomba Regional Council
PO Box 3021 Toowoomba QLD
P 07 4688 6681<tel:07%204688%206681>  E 6681  IM sip:Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au
Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au<mailto:Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au>
www.tr.qld.gov.au<https://www.tr.qld.gov.au/>

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com<mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, 8 December 2021 12:28 PM
To: Adam Purves <Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au<mailto:Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au>>
Cc: Chris Fogarty <Chris.Fogarty at tr.qld.gov.au<mailto:Chris.Fogarty at tr.qld.gov.au>>; Sandra Sherriff <Sandra.Sherriff at tr.qld.gov.au<mailto:Sandra.Sherriff at tr.qld.gov.au>>
Subject: Re: Use of Council data in OpenStreetMap


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Hi Adam

Thanks for your very quick response.

The CC licence, or lack of it, isn't a critical thing as long as we have your explicit permission to make use of your data.

As to how it would be used, personally, I would only be using it to make manual updates of such things as parks, addresses etc, but other people, who are more data savvy than I am!, may well look into importing data sets.

To see what sort of data has previously been made available to us from other sources, please have a look at https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue.

If you would like to know more, I can pass your questions on to someone whom I know is more heavily involved in data imports.

Thanks

Graeme


On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 at 10:13, Adam Purves <Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au<mailto:Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au>> wrote:
Hi Graeme,

Thank you for your email.

At this time Toowoomba Regional Council doesn’t have a Creative Commons licence available for our GIS data.

Can I please clarify how you intend to use Council data in OSM? Are you intending to load the Council data directly into OSM, or are you using Council data as a reference and are manually drawing/updating OSM?

Kind regards,
Adam.

Adam Purves
Coordinator Geospatial Information Management (GIS)
Information Communication and Technology

Toowoomba Regional Council
PO Box 3021 Toowoomba QLD
P 07 4688 6681<tel:07%204688%206681>  E 6681  IM sip:Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au
Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au<mailto:Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au>
www.tr.qld.gov.au<https://www.tr.qld.gov.au/>

From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com<mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com>>
Sent: Wednesday, 1 December 2021 3:33 PM
To: Toowoomba Regional Council <info at tr.qld.gov.au<mailto:info at tr.qld.gov.au>>
Subject: Use of Council data in OpenStreetMap


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To whom it may concern

I am a volunteer with OpenStreetMap<https://www.openstreetmap.org/>, a collaborative open project to create a global geodata set freely usable by anyone on share-alike and attribution terms under the Open Database License (ODbL)<http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/>.

After recently visiting Toowoomba Region, and while then adding and updating some details on OpenStreetMap, I noticed that you have online maps of the area available for use by the general public: https://www.tr.qld.gov.au/payments-self-service-laws/web-apps/mapping/12731-online-mapping-2.

I can see, by looking at the Council pages online, that they are Copyright Toowoomba Regional Council, and that we need permission to reproduce them, but can’t see anything to say if they have been licensed for public use under a Creative Commons licence?

I was wondering if we could get your permission to make use of these various maps to further upgrade the details shown on OSM?

Could you please let me know whether you may be amenable to this idea, so we can discuss any further requirements?

Thank you

Graeme Fitzpatrick


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