[talk-au] Fwd: Use of Council data in OpenStreetMap

Thu Dec 9 23:05:38 UTC 2021

Thanks fellas!

This bit "You are welcome to use the data as a reference if you are
manually drawing in information", still has me confused though?

Thanks

Graeme

On Thu, 9 Dec 2021 at 18:51, Michael James <michael at techdrive.com.au> wrote:

> As a local I can provide some more info
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> Toowoomba RC does not own all the data used in the online mapping system
> this is shown in the disclaimer when you open the maps.
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> Most of the data belongs to the State of Queensland (DERM) and as such the
> Council can’t provide the permission required.
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> Quoted ownership section :-
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> The map layers displayed in TRC's Online Mapping are compiled from a
> variety of sources. Many of the map layers in TRC's Online Mapping are
> based on digital cadastral data provided under licence to the Toowoomba
> Regional Council by the State of Queensland as represented by the
> Department of Environment and Resource Management. These digital cadastral
> data provided under licence are referred to as “licensed data”. The user of
> TRC's Online Mapping acknowledges and accepts that the State of Queensland
> is the owner of the intellectual property rights, including copyright in
> the licensed data. These conditions of use do not confer on the user of
> TRC's Online Mapping any rights of ownership in the licensed data. The user
> of TRC's Online Mapping acknowledges and accepts that Toowoomba Regional
> Council is the owner of the intellectual property rights, including
> copyright, in the information and data provided through TRC's Online
> Mapping, with the exception of licensed data. These conditions of use do
> not confer on the user of TRC's Online Mapping any rights of ownership in
> any data.
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> Michael
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> *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Thursday, 9 December 2021 11:47 AM
> *To:* OSM-Au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> *Subject:* [talk-au] Fwd: Use of Council data in OpenStreetMap
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> After being up that way on holidays a few weeks ago, I found out that
> Toowoomba Region Council have online maps for addresses etc:
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> https://www.tr.qld.gov.au/payments-self-service-laws/web-apps/mapping/12731-online-mapping-2
> .
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> Contacted Council to see if we could get permission to use them & this is
> the result.
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> So, does
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> "Council doesn’t have an Open Data Policy at this time so we can’t issue
> an approval for you to use the data"
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> "You are welcome to use the data as a reference if you are manually
> drawing in information"
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> mean that we can use it, or we can't?
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> Or is it a 50/50 - we can't import the data, but we can use it manually?
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> Thanks
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> Graeme
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> ---------- Forwarded message ---------
> From: *Adam Purves* <Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au>
> Date: Thu, 9 Dec 2021 at 09:38
> Subject: RE: Use of Council data in OpenStreetMap
> To: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> Cc: Chris Fogarty <Chris.Fogarty at tr.qld.gov.au>, Sandra Sherriff <
> Sandra.Sherriff at tr.qld.gov.au>
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> Hi Graeme,
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> Unfortunately, Council doesn’t have an Open Data Policy at this time so we
> can’t issue an approval for you to use the data (This is the mechanism by
> which Council would provide the requested approval).
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> You are welcome to use the data as a reference if you are manually drawing
> in information.
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> Kind regards,
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> Adam.
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> *Adam Purves*
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> *Coordinator Geospatial Information Management (GIS)*
> Information Communication and Technology
>
> Toowoomba Regional Council
> PO Box 3021 Toowoomba QLD
> *P *07 4688 6681 <07%204688%206681>  *E *6681  *IM *
> sip:Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au
> Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au
> www.tr.qld.gov.au
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> *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 8 December 2021 12:28 PM
> *To:* Adam Purves <Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au>
> *Cc:* Chris Fogarty <Chris.Fogarty at tr.qld.gov.au>; Sandra Sherriff <
> Sandra.Sherriff at tr.qld.gov.au>
> *Subject:* Re: Use of Council data in OpenStreetMap
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> Hi Adam
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> Thanks for your very quick response.
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> The CC licence, or lack of it, isn't a critical thing as long as we have
> your explicit permission to make use of your data.
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> As to how it would be used, personally, I would only be using it to make
> manual updates of such things as parks, addresses etc, but other people,
> who are more data savvy than I am!, may well look into importing data sets.
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> To see what sort of data has previously been made available to us from
> other sources, please have a look at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_data_catalogue.
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> If you would like to know more, I can pass your questions on to someone
> whom I know is more heavily involved in data imports.
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> Thanks
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> Graeme
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> On Wed, 8 Dec 2021 at 10:13, Adam Purves <Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au>
> wrote:
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> Hi Graeme,
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> Thank you for your email.
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> At this time Toowoomba Regional Council doesn’t have a Creative Commons
> licence available for our GIS data.
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> Can I please clarify how you intend to use Council data in OSM? Are you
> intending to load the Council data directly into OSM, or are you using
> Council data as a reference and are manually drawing/updating OSM?
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> Kind regards,
>
> Adam.
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> *Adam Purves*
>
> *Coordinator Geospatial Information Management (GIS)*
> Information Communication and Technology
>
> Toowoomba Regional Council
> PO Box 3021 Toowoomba QLD
> *P *07 4688 6681 <07%204688%206681>  *E *6681  *IM *
> sip:Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au
> Adam.Purves at tr.qld.gov.au
> www.tr.qld.gov.au
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> *From:* Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> *Sent:* Wednesday, 1 December 2021 3:33 PM
> *To:* Toowoomba Regional Council <info at tr.qld.gov.au>
> *Subject:* Use of Council data in OpenStreetMap
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> [External Email] This email was sent from outside the organisation - be
> cautious, particularly with links and attachments.
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> To whom it may concern
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> I am a volunteer with OpenStreetMap <https://www.openstreetmap.org/>, a
> collaborative open project to create a global geodata set freely usable by
> anyone on share-alike and attribution terms under the Open Database
> License (ODbL) <http://opendatacommons.org/licenses/odbl/summary/>.
>
> After recently visiting Toowoomba Region, and while then adding and
> updating some details on OpenStreetMap, I noticed that you have online maps
> of the area available for use by the general public:
> https://www.tr.qld.gov.au/payments-self-service-laws/web-apps/mapping/12731-online-mapping-2
> .
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> I can see, by looking at the Council pages online, that they are Copyright
> Toowoomba Regional Council, and that we need permission to reproduce them,
> but can’t see anything to say if they have been licensed for public use
> under a Creative Commons licence?
>
> I was wondering if we could get your permission to make use of these
> various maps to further upgrade the details shown on OSM?
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> Could you please let me know whether you may be amenable to this idea, so
> we can discuss any further requirements?
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> Thank you
>
> Graeme Fitzpatrick
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