[talk-au] First Nations flags?

Mon Dec 13 07:15:11 UTC 2021

Very interesting, thanks Mark!

While looking around, I'd spotted a few references that said they were, but
by your extracts, it certainly appears they're not?

So, to get a definitive answer, I've just flicked an e-mail off to the
Honours Directorate of the PM's Department!

We'll see what they have to say on the matter?

Thanks

Graeme

On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 15:42, Mark Rattigan <mark at rattigan.id.au> wrote:

> I may be nit-picking, but (as I understand it) the Australian Aboriginal
> Flag and Torres Strait Islander Flag have been recognised as the flags of
> the Aboriginal and Torres Strait Islander people of Australia and as flags
> of significance to the Australian nation and thus been appointed by
> proclamation of the Governor General as flags of the Aboriginal and Torres
> Strait Islander peoples respectively, but NOT National Flags.
>
>
> The Flags Act 1953 https://www.legislation.gov.au/Latest/C2008C00376
> declares only one National Flag - the 'blue flag"
> "The blue flag ... is declared to be the Australian National Flag."
>
> The Governor-General may, by Proclamation, appoint such other flags and
> ensigns of Australia as he thinks fit, and has done so as below:
>
> Proclamation under the Flags Act 1953 (Australian Aboriginal Flag):
> https://www.legislation.gov.au/Latest/F2008L00209
> "acting with the advice of the Federal Executive Council and noting the
> fact that the flag ... is recognised as the flag of the Aboriginal peoples
> of Australia and a flag of significance to the Australian nation generally,
> appoint that flag, ... to be the flag of the Aboriginal peoples of
> Australia and to be known as the Australian Aboriginal Flag..."
>
> Proclamation under the Flags Act 1953 (Torres Strait Islander Flag):
> https://www.legislation.gov.au/Latest/F2008L00210
> " acting with the advice of the Federal Executive Council and noting the
> fact that the flag ... is recognised as the flag of the Torres Strait
> Islander people of Australia and a flag of significance to the Australian
> nation generally, appoint that flag ... to be the flag of the Torres Strait
> Islander people of Australia and to be known as the Torres Strait Islander
> Flag..."
>
>
> The flags are undoubtedly of significance and represent their respective
> peoples, but they don't meet the description from the OSM wiki for
> flag:type=national being "the main civil flag of a nation", and have not
> been declared by the Flags Act 1953 to be such.
>
> I second the suggestion of flag:type=indigenous - none of the other
> already defined flag:types really fit.
>
> Cheers
> Mark
>
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> >    1. Re: First Nations flags? (Graeme Fitzpatrick)
> >    2. Re: First Nations flags? (Graeme Fitzpatrick)
> >    3. Re: First Nations flags? (Warin)
> >    4. Re: First Nations flags? (Phil Wyatt)
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> > Message: 1
> > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 08:34:00 +1000
> > From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> > To: Andrew Davidson <theswavu at gmail.com>, OSM-Au
> >       <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags?
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> > On Sun, 12 Dec 2021 at 17:23, Andrew Davidson <theswavu at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > flag:name=Australian Aboriginal
> > > flag:wikidata=Q1285625
> > >
> > > flag:name=Torres Strait Islander
> > > flag:wikidata=Q462621
> > >
> >
> > Thanks for that info, Andrew.
> >
> > & after a bit more searching last night, it turns out that they have
> both been
> > proclaimed as Australian National Flags, which I wasn't aware of.
> >
> > It's going to be interesting to see how it works when / if flags start
> being
> > rendered?
> >
> > I'll update the Oz Guidelines to include this info.
> >
> > Thanks
> >
> > Graeme
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> > Message: 2
> > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 12:53:13 +1000
> > From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> > To: Andrew Davidson <theswavu at gmail.com>, OSM-Au
> >       <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags?
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> > On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 08:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> > wrote:
> >
> > >
> > > I'll update the Oz Guidelines to include this info.
> > >
> >
> > & done:
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Australi
> > an_Flags
> >
> > Having troubles with the example images of the Aboriginal & Torres Strait
> > Islander flags though?
> >
> > They're both listed in Wikipedia
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_flags#Other_flags_recognise
> > d_under_the_Flags_Act_1953,
> > but when I tried to link to those images, it appears that they don't
> really exist?
> >
> > Could somebody who actually knows what they're doing around the wiki
> > please have a look at them? :-)
> >
> >  Thanks
> >
> > Graeme
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> > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 14:50:12 +1100
> > From: Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com>
> > To: talk-au at openstreetmap.org
> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags?
> > Message-ID: <dfb9d54c-eb81-e230-3e34-99dff7a647a6 at gmail.com>
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> >
> > There is a claim of copyright ob the Aboriginal flag.. (foolish if you
> ask me)...
> >
> > Oh and also the Torres Strait Islander one too... (sigh)
> >
> >
> > Both are listed as copyright on wikipedia.
> >
> > So those are out for OSM?
> >
> >
> > On 13/12/21 1:53 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >
> > > On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 08:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick
> > > <graemefitz1 at gmail.com <mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com>> wrote:
> > >
> > >
> > >     I'll update the Oz Guidelines to include this info.
> > >
> > >
> > > & done:
> > > https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Aust
> > > ralian_Flags
> > > <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Aus
> > > tralian_Flags>
> > >
> > > Having troubles with the example images of the Aboriginal & Torres
> > > Strait Islander flags though?
> > >
> > > They're both listed in Wikipedia
> > > https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_flags#Other_flags_rec
> > > ognised_under_the_Flags_Act_1953
> > > <https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_flags#Other_flags_re
> > > cognised_under_the_Flags_Act_1953>,
> > > but when I tried to link to those images, it appears that they don't
> > > really exist?
> > >
> > > Could somebody who actually knows what they're doing around the wiki
> > > please have a look at them? :-)
> > >
> > > ?Thanks
> > >
> > > Graeme
> > >
> > >
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> > Message: 4
> > Date: Mon, 13 Dec 2021 15:30:20 +1100
> > From: "Phil Wyatt" <phil at wyatt-family.com>
> > To: "'Warin'" <61sundowner at gmail.com>,        <talk-
> > au at openstreetmap.org>
> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags?
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> >
> > That?s correct on all fronts
> >
> > https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/aboriginal-flag
> >
> > https://aiatsis.gov.au/explore/torres-strait-islander-flag
> >
> > https://www.naidoc.org.au/about/indigenous-australian-flags
> >
> >
> >
> > Might have some luck with Torres Strait Island Regional Council in
> getting
> > permission to use
> >
> >
> >
> > From: Warin <61sundowner at gmail.com>
> > Sent: Monday, 13 December 2021 2:50 PM
> > To: talk-au at openstreetmap.org
> > Subject: Re: [talk-au] First Nations flags?
> >
> >
> >
> > There is a claim of copyright ob the Aboriginal flag.. (foolish if you
> ask me)...
> >
> > Oh and also the Torres Strait Islander one too... (sigh)
> >
> >
> >
> > Both are listed as copyright on wikipedia.
> >
> > So those are out for OSM?
> >
> >
> >
> > On 13/12/21 1:53 pm, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> > On Mon, 13 Dec 2021 at 08:34, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com
> > <mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com> > wrote:
> >
> >
> >
> > I'll update the Oz Guidelines to include this info.
> >
> >
> >
> > & done:
> >
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Australi
> > an_Flags
> >
> >
> >
> > Having troubles with the example images of the Aboriginal & Torres Strait
> > Islander flags though?
> >
> >
> >
> > They're both listed in Wikipedia
> >
> https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/List_of_Australian_flags#Other_flags_recognise
> > d_under_the_Flags_Act_1953, but when I tried to link to those images, it
> > appears that they don't really exist?
> >
> >
> >
> > Could somebody who actually knows what they're doing around the wiki
> > please have a look at them? :-)
> >
> >
> >
> >  Thanks
> >
> >
> >
> > Graeme
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
> >
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