[talk-au] Many Sydney residential roads have incorrect surface of paved

[Andrew Harvey]

Yes exactly as Mateusz said, asphalt is a subtype of paved, if the surface
is asphalt and there is no surface tag yet, then it's correct to map it as
surface=paved (if you know it's paved but can't tell specifically which
type of paved surface it is), then someone else can come along and improve
it to surface=asphalt/concrete etc. It would be wrong to change
surface=asphalt back to surface=paved unless it was surveyed and there is a
question about exactly which type of paved surface it is.

The StreetComplete surveyor app will ask you to survey surface=paved into a
more specific surface type.

You should absolutely not go ahead and do a mass/automated revert without
discussion though, for exactly the same reasons why a large mass/automated
edit should be discussed initially too (much more can go wrong on a larger
scale if you make a mistake, and maybe it was discussed but you're just not
aware of where the discussion was. So if you have concerns then please
raise them here.

You're probably talking about the Microsoft Open Maps team edits which
added a bulk of the surface=paved tags (though certainly not all), I
understand these edits were made manually but with using AI as an indicator
to flag potential surface tag additions.

Lastly you can't use Google Street View as a source for mapping as
explained why at
https://help.openstreetmap.org/questions/710/can-i-use-google-streetview-to-help-create-maps


On Thu, 7 Jan 2021 at 04:42, Mateusz Konieczny via Talk-au <
talk-au at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> 1) surface=paved is correct for asphalt, surface=asphalt is even better
>
>
> 2) if it was added by an undiscussed mass/automatic edit, it can be
> reverted by
> anyone, for any reason, without discussion
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Automated_Edits_code_of_conduct
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Import/Guidelines
>
> Jan 6, 2021, 17:34 by mattattlee at gmail.com:
>
> I've been reviewing the maps in Sydney and have noticed that quite a few
> roads have a surface of paved yet are actually asphalt when compared
> against Google Street View
>
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/173141179
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/173140980
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/23323163
>
> From what I can tell this change set used AI to set the road surface but
> made some mistakes in the process
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/58383256
>
> Should we bulk remove the value of paved that was set by AI so people know
> to survey the surface of these roads?
>
>
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