[talk-au] Distinction between roadside rest and stopping area..

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I’ll have a go at summarising the points in a diary post unless someone else is keen. As a general query, other than posting a link to a diary post on a message board, do diary posts get read by many mappers? How do people find them? Cheers Ian

> On 13 Jan 2021, at 10:26 am, Sebastian S. <mapping at consebt.de> wrote:
> 
> Most topics where we find some common ground are worthwhile documenting.
> 
> A two step process could be to write something up on your personal OSM Wiki Page. Then this can be shared and commented before it gets moved/merged to the AU guidelines or else.
> 
> I can only recommend to use a crack at writing these points together. Additional point will come up.
> 
>> On 12 January 2021 10:20:14 am AEDT, Andrew Hughes <ahhughes at gmail.com> wrote:
>> Hi Andrew,
>> 
>> I also feel highway=rest_area is correct, but what about the use/inclusion of  ammenity=parking?
>> 
>> I also believe that hgv=dedicated is correct, but so too would be using capacity...
>> 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:capacity
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>> capacity:car=no
>> capacity:hgv=32  or  capacity:hgv=yes (if you don't know how many parking bay's there are and many are just a gravel lot)
>> 
>> I will be quite interested in mapping (and documenting this as a convention) this in the future within the NHVR.
>> 
>> This thread may now be off track from the originating question, I am happy to park the heavy vehicle discussion here (pun intended).
>> 
>> Cheers,
>> A Hughes
>> 
>> 
>> 
>> 
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>>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 08:42, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com> wrote:
>>> 
>>>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 09:26, Andrew Hughes <ahhughes at gmail.com> wrote:
>>>> Hi All,
>>>> 
>>>> In addition to your comment about trucks Warin. There are many rest areas that are for trucks only. I believe there are tags for this so I assume you're not tagging them for the trucking industry just light vehicle rest areas?
>>>> 
>>>> Cheers,
>>>> A Hughes.
>>>> 
>>>> FWIW: Truck rest areas are quite a contentious issue because truck drivers have legal limits on drive time to manage fatigue and the rest area stops are baked into their journey before they set off. They're understandably none too happy when they get to a rest area that should be dedicated to them for some shut eye only to find it full of caravans or to have caravans making noise (esp. Generators) which doesn't allow them to get the sleep they need. Consequently, its would be good to have a distinction in the data or intentially avoid adding the truck rest areas if all you wanted was light  vehicles. :)
>>> 
>>> I would still class these as highway=rest_area based on them meeting the criteria of "A rest area is place along a road, usually a motorway or dual-carriageway, where a driver can stop to have a rest."
>>> 
>>> If signposted for truck drivers, then I'd add hgv=designated per access tagging https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access and if other vehicle users can't access them then tag those as no (I prefer not to use access=no + hgv=designated, but in this case it might be best to exclude all other users apart from hgv).
>>> 
>>> Does this sound workable?
>>> 
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