[talk-au] Distinction between roadside rest and stopping area..

[Sebastian S.]

Most topics where we find some common ground are worthwhile documenting.

A two step process could be to write something up on your personal OSM Wiki Page. Then this can be shared and commented before it gets moved/merged to the AU guidelines or else.

I can only recommend to use a crack at writing these points together. Additional point will come up.

On 12 January 2021 10:20:14 am AEDT, Andrew Hughes <ahhughes at gmail.com> wrote:
>Hi Andrew,
>
>I also feel highway=rest_area is correct, but what about the
>use/inclusion
>of  ammenity=parking?
>
>I also believe that hgv=dedicated is correct, but so too would be using
>capacity...
>
>https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:capacity
>
>capacity:car=no
>capacity:hgv=32  or  capacity:hgv=yes (if you don't know how many
>parking
>bay's there are and many are just a gravel lot)
>
>I will be quite interested in mapping (and documenting this as a
>convention) this in the future within the NHVR.
>
>This thread may now be off track from the originating question, I am
>happy
>to park the heavy vehicle discussion here (pun intended).
>
>Cheers,
>A Hughes
>
>
>
>
>
>On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 08:42, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>
>>
>> On Tue, 12 Jan 2021 at 09:26, Andrew Hughes <ahhughes at gmail.com>
>wrote:
>>
>>> Hi All,
>>>
>>> In addition to your comment about trucks Warin. There are many rest
>areas
>>> that are for trucks only. I believe there are tags for this so I
>assume
>>> you're not tagging them for the trucking industry just light vehicle
>rest
>>> areas?
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>> A Hughes.
>>>
>>> FWIW: Truck rest areas are quite a contentious issue because truck
>>> drivers have legal limits on drive time to manage fatigue and the
>rest area
>>> stops are baked into their journey before they set off. They're
>>> understandably none too happy when they get to a rest area that
>should be
>>> dedicated to them for some shut eye only to find it full of caravans
>or to
>>> have caravans making noise (esp. Generators) which doesn't allow
>them to
>>> get the sleep they need. Consequently, its would be good to have a
>>> distinction in the data or intentially avoid adding the truck rest
>areas if
>>> all you wanted was light  vehicles. :)
>>>
>>
>> I would still class these as highway=rest_area based on them meeting
>the
>> criteria of "A rest area is place along a road, usually a motorway or
>> dual-carriageway, where a driver can stop to have a rest."
>>
>> If signposted for truck drivers, then I'd add hgv=designated per
>access
>> tagging https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access and if other
>> vehicle users can't access them then tag those as no (I prefer not to
>use
>> access=no + hgv=designated, but in this case it might be best to
>exclude
>> all other users apart from hgv).
>>
>> Does this sound workable?
>>
>>
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