[talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

[Kim Oldfield]

Hi Adam,

On 5/10/21 10:23 am, Adam Horan wrote:
> Hi Kim,
> highway = pedestrian is for pedestrianised roads/areas rather then 
> footpaths/sidewalks/pavements for those I think the current tag is 
> highway=footway.
I only included highway=pedestrian as it is part of 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia 
which I'm trying to get a consensus on. What you you think the default 
access tags should be for highway=pedestrian in Australia?

> bridleway isn't in use in Australia much for the path types we're 
> discussing here.
Also included only because it is part of the default access wiki page.
Given it doesn't get used much in Australia is it worth deviating from 
the worldwide defaults?

> I'd prefer a normal footpath to be
> highway=footway - and no additional bicycle= or foot= tag, unless 
> there's a sign specifically barring cycling in which case bicycle=no
Agreed.

> Shared paths (the most common ones after a walking only path)
> either
> highway=footway + bicycle=yes (I prefer this one)
According to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway 
"The tag highway=footway is used for mapping minor pathways which are 
used mainly or exclusively by pedestrians" so highway=footway is not 
appropriate for many bike paths which are mainly used by bikes, and less 
so by pedestrians.
> or
> highway=cycleway and a foot=yes tag to make it clear (I don't prefer 
> this one, but it's a mild preference)
In Victoria there are not many bike only paths, so it makes more sense 
to use this for paths for combined bike and foot traffic. This is also 
how it is commonly used on OSM in Victoria (and the rest of Australia?).

As mentioned by  by Sebestian, using highway=cycleway is also much 
easier to visually distinguish. As using highway=cycleway an equally 
valid way to tag, I'd consider this to be practical tagging, and not 
tagging for the renderer. According to 
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer it is 
actually//"Don't deliberately enter data incorrectly for the renderer".

If we set the default in Australia for highway=cycleway to be foot=yes 
then we don't need to repeat foot=yes on each way.

> This is mostly with a VIC perspective.
Likewise.


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