[talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

[Warin]

On 5/10/21 8:53 pm, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au wrote:
> Hi Adam,
>
> On 5/10/21 10:23 am, Adam Horan wrote:
>> Hi Kim,
>> highway = pedestrian is for pedestrianised roads/areas rather then 
>> footpaths/sidewalks/pavements for those I think the current tag is 
>> highway=footway.
> I only included highway=pedestrian as it is part of 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia 
> which I'm trying to get a consensus on. What you you think the default 
> access tags should be for highway=pedestrian in Australia?
>
>> bridleway isn't in use in Australia much for the path types we're 
>> discussing here.
> Also included only because it is part of the default access wiki page.
> Given it doesn't get used much in Australia is it worth deviating from 
> the worldwide defaults?
>
>> I'd prefer a normal footpath to be
>> highway=footway - and no additional bicycle= or foot= tag, unless 
>> there's a sign specifically barring cycling in which case bicycle=no
> Agreed.
>
>> Shared paths (the most common ones after a walking only path)
>> either
>> highway=footway + bicycle=yes (I prefer this one)
> According to https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dfootway 
> "The tag highway=footway is used for mapping minor pathways which are 
> used mainly or exclusively by pedestrians" so highway=footway is not 
> appropriate for many bike paths which are mainly used by bikes, and 
> less so by pedestrians.
>> or
>> highway=cycleway and a foot=yes tag to make it clear (I don't prefer 
>> this one, but it's a mild preference)
> In Victoria there are not many bike only paths, so it makes more sense 
> to use this for paths for combined bike and foot traffic. This is also 
> how it is commonly used on OSM in Victoria (and the rest of Australia?).
>
> As mentioned by  by Sebestian, using highway=cycleway is also much 
> easier to visually distinguish. As using highway=cycleway an equally 
> valid way to tag, I'd consider this to be practical tagging, and not 
> tagging for the renderer. According to 
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tagging_for_the_renderer it is 
> actually//"Don't deliberately enter data incorrectly for the renderer".
>
> If we set the default in Australia for highway=cycleway to be foot=yes 
> then we don't need to repeat foot=yes on each way.
>
>> This is mostly with a VIC perspective.
> Likewise.


I would suggest then you set the defaults for Victoria rather than 
Australia?

South Australia, Western Australia, Queensland, Northern Territory and 
Tasmania allow bicycles on footpaths unless there is a sign against it.




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