[talk-au] Cycling on Victorian paths

[Andrew Harvey]

On Mon, 4 Oct 2021 at 23:48, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <
talk-au at openstreetmap.org> wrote:

> Hi Andrew and list,
>
> How do we go about formalising these decisions? Is there a vote process,
> or does someone take it upon themselves to document in the wiki any
> consensus we reach on this list?
>

Personally, I think we should document this at
https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines#Urban_Footpaths_and_Cycleways
I think at the moment we have a clear consensus. Anyone can add this to the
wiki.


> We should document in the wiki when to add bicycle= and foot= tags which
> duplicate the default values for highway=footway/cycleway? (As per Andrew's
> email below).
>

Yeah the wiki is a good place for this (we can also link back to this
thread on the archives to document why they have been documented this way.

We should also decide on, and document the default access rules for various
> highway= values at
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/OSM_tags_for_routing/Access_restrictions#Australia
> and remove the "Not endorsed by the Australian OSM community (yet)."
> Currently these are mostly the same as "Wordwide", except:
>
> highway=pedestrian - bicycle=yes. Sounds reasonable.
> highway=bridleway - bicycle=yes, foot=yes. I don't know enough about
> bridleways in Australia to have an opinion on this.
> highway=footway - currently bicycle=yes. This I think should be broken up
> by state to reflect the state laws for adults riding on the footway. In
> Victoria and NSW:  bicycle=no. Is Queensland bicycle=yes? What about the
> other states?
> These decisions should be replicated in the Australia or state relations
> with def:... tags so they can be found and used by routing engines.
>

We should point out when it's signposted as not allowed or allowed it's
always a good idea to explicitly tag even if it's the documented default.

highway=motorway, bicycle=no - it's okay, but in the eyes of the law it's
allowed unless otherwise signposted as not allowed, so a bit counter to
this default, because of this I'd still advocate always including a bicycle
tag on motorways.

highway=pedestrian, bicycle=yes - yes, given pedestrian streets are roads
vehicles can sometimes drive on, and bicycles are considered vehicles then
bicycles are usually allowed.

All states and territories in Australia already have the
def:highway=footway;access:bicycle tag set. NSW and VIC are no, the rest
are yes.
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