[talk-au] Lifeguards & "Swim Between the Flags"

Thu Oct 21 05:01:32 UTC 2021

In Australia, maybe. Globally? Very unlikely.

From: Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com> 
Sent: Thursday, 21 October 2021 13:53
To: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
Cc: OSM-Au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
Subject: Re: [talk-au] Lifeguards & "Swim Between the Flags"

Isn't it always the case though that patrolled beaches will have flags and that is the area patrolled? My point is then what's the difference between `lifeguard=yes` and `lifeguard=yes @ flagged_area / red_and_yellow_flags`, to me they mean the same thing.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 18:06, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com <mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com> > wrote:

That's it!

Today the flags are here, tomorrow they may be 100m South, then the next day they're 100m North of here, but the flags will always show where the lifeguards are at any time.

Thanks

Graeme

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 16:11, Adam Horan <ahoran at gmail.com <mailto:ahoran at gmail.com> > wrote:

I think I see.

The lifeguards are where the flags are.

The flags are somewhere on this beach.

There'll be flags/lifeguards at certain times.

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 17:08, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com <mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com> > wrote:

Agree entirely but I'm not trying to map the flags, I was trying to work out a way of saying that the lifeguards are where the flags are?

Thanks

Graeme

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 15:49, Adam Horan <ahoran at gmail.com <mailto:ahoran at gmail.com> > wrote:

Flag position will vary daily based on weather conditions, tides, rips, proximity to the toilets, other stuff?

I think you'd just need to mark the whole beach.

Adam

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 15:04, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com <mailto:graemefitz1 at gmail.com> > wrote:

Thanks everybody!

In response to a couple of points ...

No, I'm not trying to mark that the lifeguards are "in this spot", I just thought that some way of indicating where on the beach (i.e the flags) they would be would be good.

& yes, we're all taught to swim between the flags, but is that standard teaching everywhere?

Thanks

Graeme

On Wed, 20 Oct 2021 at 12:26, Simon Slater <pyevet at iinet.net.au <mailto:pyevet at iinet.net.au> > wrote:

On Wednesday, 20 October 2021 9:54:22 AM AEDT Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> A little while back, I put the emergency=lifeguard proposal through,
> together with lifeguard=yes to describe those times when there is a
> lifeguard/s on the beach, but they may not be in a fixed location.
> 
<snip> 
> Or do we just not worry about it, & work on the idea that =yes is
> sufficient?
> 
When I were a lad, we were taught to always look for the flags when going to 
any beach to swim, teaching personal responsibility and obey the flags because 
the lifesavers know that beach better.  Therefore, actual flag positions need 
to be known as variable.

However, tagging a beach that does have a SLSC is good because those 
unfamiliar with the area, tourists say, or families with young children, can 
then preferentially choose such beaches.  Similarly, the more adventurous, or 
those desiring solitude, can preferentially choose alternate locations.

-- 
Regards
Simon Slater

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