[talk-au] Service road highway areas as frontage road access

[Dian Ågesson]

Thank you all for your feedback.

For what it is worth, the editor has responded on a different changeset. 
I've written what ended up being War and Peace to explain the importance 
of mapping roads in a linear fashion, and encouraged them to join this 
list. https://www.openstreetmap.org/changeset/112825020

Dian

On 2021-10-24 13:22, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au wrote:

> I've updated the intersection to a similar layout to that suggested by 
> Thorsten.
> 
> I have a passing familiarity with the area.
> 
> It looks like Ewan has just suggested a similar layout.
> 
> While making that edit I noticed Burwood Highway is tagged with 
> foot=yes. My first response was that's wrong as walking down a highway 
> would be dangerous (and illegal?). But then, foot=yes can imply a 
> footpath which is safe to use, but then the highway would be better 
> tagged with footway=sidewalk or sidewalk=left, though on the south side 
> of Burwood highway it would be better to tag the service lane, and not 
> the main highway. The next step is to map individual footpaths. I 
> decided to avoid that rabbit warren, and left foot=yes on the highway 
> for now.
> 
> On 23/10/21 5:18 pm, osm.talk-au at thorsten.engler.id.au wrote:
> 
> Looking on mapillary, it seems you can also enter there, so the current 
> mapping is wrong.
> 
> Also, I can't see any legal reason, besides it being dangerous if there 
> is traffic, to cross all the way from the parking lot at the top to 
> that Burnwood Highway Service Road at the bottom, or the other way 
> around.
> 
> I'm not going to actually touch it, as it's way outside my usual 
> mapping area, but personally I would map it like this:
> 
> https://cdn.discordapp.com/attachments/558999688670609448/901351143542784050/unknown.png
> 
> Cheers,
> 
> Thorsten
> 
> From: Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> Sent: Saturday, 23 October 2021 14:23
> To: Dian Ågesson <me at diacritic.xyz>
> Cc: OSM-Au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Service road highway areas as frontage road 
> access
> 
> On Sat, 23 Oct 2021 at 13:54, Dian Ågesson <me at diacritic.xyz> wrote:
> 
> On the most recent edit, a highway=service area has been introduced for 
> a roadway between a main road, a frontage road and a side street
> 
> https://www.openstreetmap.org/way/995553123 [1]
> 
> I have not seen this before, and it doesn't strike me as correct.
> 
> No, I would agree that it is not correct, & there's no real need for it 
> to be there.
> 
> From looking at what's already mapped, it would appear to be OK, with 
> one possible exception?
> 
> Can traffic from the Hwy enter the service road at the Rose St 
> intersection, or is it one-way outwards only?
> 
> If it's two-way, then Rose St should be broken, & the section between 
> the service road & the Hwy made two-way. At the same time, you could 
> also move it to the middle of the intersection, but that's only my OCD 
> neatness coming out! :-)
> 
> Thanks
> 
> Graeme
> 
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