[talk-au] Wiki Clean Up Progress Update

[Dian Ågesson]

Hey Kim,

Thanks for the great feedback!

> Are all toll roads highway=motorway? All the ones I know in Victoria 
> are. If so, we should add tollways to the description of 
> highway=motorway

There was nothing documented in the previous version of the road 
hierarchy about toll roads, but a quick overpass query shows that are 
are a couple of toll roads are motorways, (Query [1]) notably Brunton 
Avenue in Melbourne (tertiary), Go Between Bridge, Brisbane

> Should that be "impractical"?

Yup, fixed.

> Unnamed Roads should use "noname=yes" and not "noname=*". That's 
> probably what you intended, but may not be obvious to someone 
> encountering the noname tag for the first time.

Fixed, thanks.

> Should we talk about pipestems in driveways, given recent discussions 
> on this list?

Yeah, I'm happy to add pipestem details; did we settle on 
service=pipestem?

> We should discourage the vague surface values of "paved" and "unpaved", 
> instead using more specific tags like asphalt and compacted. Can we 
> replace the example with something more specific than 
> "surface=unpaved"?
> 
> surface=gravel has it's own problems given the common use in Australia 
> is different to the wiki description. I'm not sure the best way to 
> address this.

I agree with you that we would want to encourage a more accurate tag. 
 From what I could see on the wiki and in overpass queries, there is a 
lot of confusion about the surface tag. I would definitely welcome this 
list revisiting the discussion, but I didn't feel confident changing 
what was already there.

Dian

On 2022-04-18 07:10, Kim Oldfield via Talk-au wrote:

> Hi Dian,
> 
> Some questions and comments.
> 
> Are all toll roads highway=motorway? All the ones I know in Victoria 
> are. If so, we should add tollways to the description of 
> highway=motorway
> 
>> "Construction and maintenance of paved roads in profoundly remote 
>> areas is both practical and uneconomical"
> 
> Should that be "impractical"?
> 
> We should discourage the vague surface values of "paved" and "unpaved", 
> instead using more specific tags like asphalt and compacted. Can we 
> replace the example with something more specific than 
> "surface=unpaved"?
> 
> surface=gravel has it's own problems given the common use in Australia 
> is different to the wiki description. I'm not sure the best way to 
> address this.
> 
> Should we talk about pipestems in driveways, given recent discussions 
> on this list?
> 
> Unnamed Roads should use "noname=yes" and not "noname=*". That's 
> probably what you intended, but may not be obvious to someone 
> encountering the noname tag for the first time.
> 
> Regards,
> Kim
> 
> On 17/4/22 23:23, Dian Ågesson wrote:
> 
>> Hello list,
>> 
>> Cleanup has of the Tagging Guidelines page is continuing.
>> 
>> The 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Australia%27s_First_Peoples 
>> received positive feedback, and has now been integrated fully into the 
>> page.
>> 
>> The second Tagging Guidelines subpage of the cleanu[ is ready for 
>> community endorsement: 
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Roads.
>> 
>> This subpage was hard. This section had a lot of really old content, 
>> some of which had been largely unchanged for a decade. There was a lot 
>> of generic, non-Australia specific advice and explanations justifying 
>> what is now well accepted tagging practices. I have tried my best to 
>> update the wording of the relevant sections while keeping the intent 
>> and advice within consistent with the original while removing outdated 
>> information. I've also been guided by the actual usage of some of the 
>> tags suggested, which have not been implemented despite their 
>> documentation many years ago.
>> 
>> Please, review this page and let me know your thoughts and feedback. 
>> If there are no objections, the old text from the guidelines will be 
>> removed.
>> 
>> Dian
>> 
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