[talk-au] OSM Wiki Cleanup Update: 6th Tagging Guidelines Page ready

[Dian Ågesson]

Thanks Kim and Phil.

I've updated the link to the one provided by Phil.

I don't believe that we should be including the descriptions verbatim, 
even if we could: the actual grading system is a bit too complex to 
https://www.ffm.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/pdf_file/0019/21475/dse_trail_grade_brochure_tagged.pdf 
include on a single wiki page, and we probably don't want to encourage 
inaccurate tagging using an impartial definition. Plus it would be a big 
headache to try and keep the wiki aligned: it's much easier to provide a 
source to the authoritative definition.

In re: Pump track, there isn't an established tag that would 
differentiate a pump track - happy to add one if there is a good 
candidate, of course. :)

In re: Bike Lanes and Street Cycling is trying to convey what you 
described, and is largely taken verbatim from the previous guidelines:

> Unfortunately, it is possible in Australia for a legally designated 
> cycle facility to be completely unusable. A bicycle lane that is really 
> a parking lane, or a shared path sign on a obstructed or even 
> non-existent path. Mappers should use common sense and discretion, and 
> map the effective facility that exists on the ground if it differs to 
> what is defined by the Australian road rules.

Essentially, follow what best describes what is actually on the ground - 
don't simply follow every sign. :)

On 2022-06-28 10:51, Phil Wyatt wrote:

> Hi Folks,
> 
> This is probably the best reference for the AWTGS
> 
> https://www.ffm.vic.gov.au/recreational-activities/walking-and-camping/australian-walking-track-grading-system
> 
> Cheers - Phil
> 
> -----Original Message-----
> From: Kim Oldfield via Talk-au <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> Sent: Tuesday, 28 June 2022 8:21 PM
> To: Dian Ågesson <me at diacritic.xyz>
> Cc: talk-au at openstreetmap.org
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] OSM Wiki Cleanup Update: 6th Tagging Guidelines 
> Page ready
> 
> Hi Dian,
> 
> The AWTGS page referenced isn't much use. As a trail user it doesn't 
> tell me if 1 is easy or hard.
> 
> Searching for other references I found
> https://www.nationalparks.nsw.gov.au/safety/bushwalking-safety/australian-walking-track-grading-system
> https://naturetrail.com.au/australian-walking-track-grading-system/
> https://www.parks.vic.gov.au/things-to-do/hiking-and-bushwalking/choose-the-right-hike/how-walking-tracks-are-rated
> 
> all of which use almost identical descriptions and symbols for grades 1 
> to 5. Does anyone know what the source for this is, and if we are 
> allowed to include the descriptions verbatim in wiki.osm?
> 
> Is Pump track missing a key=value pair in the Value column?
> bicycle=designated by its self doesn't imply pump track.
> 
> The "Bike Lanes and Street Cycling" section is vague. What does "map 
> according to what is on the ground, rather than relying on technical, 
> legal definitions" mean? Isn't what is signposted on the ground what 
> the legal definition is? Given that many signposted bike lanes and 
> trails in Australia are not fit for purpose (eg they have parked cars 
> in them or cyclist dismount signs) I don't know how they can be tagged 
> in a consistent and useful manner.
> 
> The rest of the page looks good.
> 
> Kim
> 
> On 26/6/22 22:02, Dian Ågesson wrote:
> 
>> Hello,
>> 
>> The sixth subpage of the Australian Tagging Guidelines:
>> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Cycl
>> ing_and_Foot_Paths
>> is ready for review.
>> 
>> This page took a significant amount of effort, as there is ongoing
>> discussions, conflicting global guidelines, and the previous content
>> was quite out of date. This is also likely to be the subpage with the
>> most controversy, so I would strongly encourage contributions and
>> feedback from all.
>> 
>> Please, as always, don't be shy about providing feedback or raising
>> concerns. There are only one subpages to go with the Tagging
>> Guidelines pages: Utilities and Infrastructure.
>> 
>> Dian
>> 
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