[talk-au] Bicycle access tags in Victoria and other edits edits

[forster at ozonline.com.au]

Hi Kim

Can I please clarify "using highway=cycleway should only be used where  
there are signs allowing"?

Does this apply to just sidewalks (US sidewalk, UK pavement, AU  
footpath) or all paths including paths through parkland, beside  
freeways, rivers and railway lines?

Thanks
Tony



> bikes.

> Responses below.
>
> On 15/5/22 13:56, forster at ozonline.com.au wrote:
>> Hi Sebastian and list
>>
>> Today I did a number of edits relating to whether a lack of bicycle  
>>  signage, on its own, is sufficient grounds to remove   
>> bicycle=yes/designated or cycleway. Most of my edits though relate   
>> to cases where there is signage that had not been noticed by an   
>> editor.
>>
>> I invite anybody with an opinion on this to discuss here (talk-au).  
>>  So far I have two, reproduced below:
>>
>> _________________________________________________________________________
>> This is one of two cases of questions that had been asked but not   
>> answered, I don't have an opinion on this one. Changeset:   
>> 115626232, Sebastian's answer below
>>
>> Bob42nd we shouldn?t be mapping based on a Strava heat map as it   
>> doesn?t not determine that transiting in permissible. The heat map   
>> indicates that people have used it but we should be mapping on the   
>> ground with what form of transport is permitted.
>
> Strava heatmap by itself is not a reason to map a path. Strava heatmap
> is useful to align a known path to an accurate location based on lots
> of Strava users' GPS traces.
>
> Mapping a path over a grass area with surface=grass is reasonable, and
> often the best way of indicating in OSM that it is possible to navigate
> between nearby ways. When using OSM for navigation it is often unclear
> if you can travel directly between 2 close ways - there may be a fence
> or house in the way (which you can't walk through), or it may be an
> unrestricted grass area which can easily be walked across. Adding a
> grass way makes it obvious that you can travel directly between the
> points, while surface=grass and informal=yes indicates that there is
> not a high quality path.
>
>> _________________________________________________________________________
>> changeset/120382941 This one had been changed from a cycleway to a   
>> footway on the basis of no signage indicating that bicycles were   
>> allowed. Lots of paths have been changed to foot on the basis of no  
>>  signage and I have let many go uncommented because I am not   
>> familiar with them.
>
> If the path is signposted as "cyclists dismount" then
> bicycle=designated is wrong. bicycle=dismount is the most appropriate
> tag, though bicycle=no is often used interchangeably with
> bicycle=dismount.
>
> While many cyclists would consider "Cyclists dismount" to be
> inappropriate, it is not OSM's role re-interpret what is appropriate,
> rather, it is to document what is legally allowed.
>
> As cycling on footpaths is not generally allowed in Victoria, using
> highway=cycleway should only be used where there are signs allowing
> bikes.
>
> IMHO adding foot= and bicycle= tags is usually a waste of effort as in
> Victoria highway=footway implies foot=yes and bicycle=no, while
> highway=cycleway implies foot=yes and bicycle=yes. Adding these tags
> can make things worse as it is unclear if children under 13 can ride on
> a path tagged with bicycle=no. Did the person who added the tag do it
> because all cyclists are banned, or were they just duplicating the
> implied cyclists limitations for footpaths while ignoring the effect
> the age of the cyclist has on what is allowed?
>
>> I know  this one well. My understanding is that you have to wheel   
>> your bike across Macrobertson Bridge but otherwise its OK to ride.   
>> I signaled my intent to edit 2 weeks ago and got no reply so I made  
>>  the changes. Sebastian's reply below:
>>
>> The Mapillary link you provided included a big picture of a bike   
>> with a cross through it painted on the ground indicating that bikes  
>>  are not permitted. Not sure how you have have come to the   
>> conclusion that bikes are permitted.
>>
>> Â The bridge way that diverts north and follows Yarra Boulevard is   
>> not part of the Main Yarra Trail.
>>
>> Please revert the change.
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