[talk-au] Proposed Bulk Edit: Road Route Numbering.

[Dian Ågesson]

Hey Phil,

Thank you so much for your efforts so far!

The tags on the relations are much more valuable as they tend to be used 
by newer and more recently updated data consumers. The network tags on 
the individual ways are more likely to be legacy supported

Ideally both would be updated at the same time, but I'm increasingly 
thinking that updating the ways might need to be a gradual transition. 
Maybe we leave the ways to be progressively updated as routes change or 
be modified?

For reference, the Americana project ( 
https://github.com/ZeLonewolf/openstreetmap-americana/issues) will use 
the relation tags to render Australian road shields on the map.

Dian

On 2022-10-02 11:45, Phil Wyatt wrote:

> Hi Dian,
> 
> I have done all the route relations for the A, B and C roads in Tassie 
> and added the network=AU:TAS. I wasn't aware that it was also needed on 
> the individual ways?? I understand they have the corresponding ref tag 
> (A1, B22 etc) but is there a need for the network tag on all the ways? 
> It's a bit unclear on the wiki as it only talks about routes.
> 
> I think Tassie is a bit easier as we only have one National route and 
> no numeric routes.
> 
> I used the following Overpass Turbo to collect up the appropriate class 
> of roads
> 
> [out:xml][timeout:25];
> 
> {{geocodeArea:tasmania}}->.searchArea;
> 
> (    
> relation["route"="road"]["type"="route"]["ref"~"^A"]["network"!="AU:TAS"]["addr:country"="AU"]["addr:state"="TAS"](area.searchArea);
> 
> );
> 
> out meta;
> 
>> ;
> 
> Easily edited for other classes
> 
> Cheers - Phil
> 
> From: Dian Ågesson <me at diacritic.xyz>
> Sent: Saturday, 1 October 2022 8:49 PM
> To: OSM Australian Talk List <talk-au at openstreetmap.org>
> Subject: Re: [talk-au] Proposed Bulk Edit: Road Route Numbering.
> 
> Hello,
> 
> Just an update regarding this piece of work.
> 
> I was able to complete a bulk edit in Western Australia, however I 
> found that it took a significant amount of effort. WA is the "easiest" 
> of the states to convert, as it has less numbered routes and no 
> alphanumeric routes to worry about.
> 
> Unfortunately, I don't believe a bulk edit for the other states is 
> practical. Relations are much easier to update, but segments of 
> highways that are shared by multiple routes are inherently manual 
> tasks.
> 
> I will continue updating relations where I can, but any help would be 
> greatly appreciated tagging highway segments.
> 
> Dian
> 
> On 2022-09-20 20:13, Dian Ågesson wrote:
> 
>> Hello list,
>> 
>> You may recall earlier this month the road route tagging guidelines 
>> were updated to adopt the "AU:" country prefix in the network field. 
>> https://lists.openstreetmap.org/pipermail/talk-au/2022-September/016533.html
>> 
>> In order to make the transition as quick and seamless as possible, I'd 
>> like to propose a bulk edit to adjust the network tabs across 
>> Australia.
>> 
>> The edit would:
>> 
>> * Change all road network tags to use the AU prefix in alignment with 
>> the new tagging guidelines 
>> (https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Australian_Tagging_Guidelines/Roads#Routes)
>> 
>> If there is support for this effort, I will make the change in one 
>> weeks time.
>> 
>> Would appreciate your thoughts and concerns.
>> 
>> Dian
>> 
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