[talk-au] Dual naming in NSW

[Tom Brennan]

ICMS principles state:
"In Australia, whichever of the two names of the same feature that is 
most likely to be used by the local community is to be used first in a 
sequence [Refer Appendix A, § 4.5]. The sequence of the name should be 
reviewed at regular intervals. If a visual separator is required, it 
shall be a solidus preceded and followed by a space ‘. / . ‘."

Which is why in NSW most dual names are *currently* rendered "European 
name / Aboriginal name".

The latest vector tiles from DCS Spatial Service have these names 
rendered on them:
https://portal.spatial.nsw.gov.au/portal/home/webmap/viewer.html?useExisting=1&layers=de92791f686843e1b2e32e908f241b9c

(See Fort Denison or Shark Island for examples).

All this seems to support the following approach in OSM (basically what 
Phil said)

name:Bradleys Head / Booraghee
name:en=Bradleys Head
name:aus=Booraghee (replace 'aus' if definitively known)

cheers
Tom
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On 6/06/2023 5:01 pm, Little Maps wrote:
> On 6 Jun 2023, at 2:29 pm, Ian Sergeant <inas66+osm at gmail.com> wrote:
>> 
>> I think including a "slash" character in a name tag is really ugly.  
>> That's not the way that the GNB record them.  Unless someone can find 
>> some information on the ground that records it that way?
> 
> Ian, I stand corrected. NSW National Parks use a dash, not a slash, in 
> the example I gave from The Rock Nature Reserve - Kengal Aboriginal 
> Place. Sorry for the confusion.
> 
> 
> Having said that, Australian geographic names boards do use slashes for 
> dual names. This extract is from the Vic Gov guidelines…
> 
> 
> “If a visual separator is required for clarity, it should be a solidus ( 
> / ) preceded and followed by a space…. The following examples would be 
> acceptable:
> 
> Nambruc / Aberfeldy State Forest
> 
> Colquhoun State Forest / Boyanga Gidi.”
> 
> 
> “Dual names once registered are to be used in full, shortened versions 
> are not to be used.”
> 
> 
> (Hence dual names are not seen as alternatives.)
> 
> 
>  From “Naming rules for places in Victoria 2022 - Statutory requirements 
> for naming roads, features and localities”
> 
> 
> https://www.land.vic.gov.au/__data/assets/word_doc/0018/501093/Official-Naming-rules-for-places-in-Victoria-2022.docx
> 
> 
> The Vic Gov report refers to the National “Principles for the Consistent 
> Use of Place Names. Includes Principles for the Use of Aboriginal and 
> Torres Strait Islander Place Names and Dual Naming Depiction Principles” 
> which also recommends that a “solidus” (i.e. a slash) is the recommended 
> standard.
> 
> 
> https://www.icsm.gov.au/sites/default/files/consistent_place_names_principles.pdf
> 
> 
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