[talk-au] Deletion of informal paths by NSW NPWS

[Warin]

On 22/9/23 16:37, Phil Wyatt wrote:
>
> Hi Folks,
>
> Personally, I believe if the managing agency requests that the tracks 
> be removed from the map then as good corporate citizens we should do 
> everything possible to lower the promotion of such tracks. Track 
> managers also have a responsibility to also actively advise people and 
> if the area is high use then signage and rehabilitation at the 
> locations will help.
>
> Track rehabilitation, even when undertaken actively, can take many, 
> many years and there will likely be remains of the 
> closed/abandoned/rehabilitated tracks showing in some environments, on 
> some imagery, for an extended period of time.
>
> I don’t believe that the abandoned or disused tags adequately reflect 
> the desire of the managers but it is supported by some. Some users may 
> see those tags as an ‘opportunity’ to reopen the track and promote use 
> back to previous levels and they may do this without the backing of 
> the agency.
>
> In a nutshell, in this instance, they are asking for folks to stop 
> going there. I also feel that if a track has active rehabilitation 
> being undertaken then a better tag would be 
> rehabilitated:highway=/type/ along with access=no. Many such tracks 
> will get limited rehabilitation at the ‘take off points’ only and the 
> rest of the track will be left to very slowly rehabilitate, maybe with 
> some occasional bars to impede water flow and allow buildup of debris. 
> Again, it will take many years for full rehabilitation to take place.
>
> So my view is…
>
>   * If you *cant* see the track on the imagery – delete it.
>   * If you can see the track in imagery – then tag it appropriately to
>     discourage use as per the managers desire. Also work with the
>     managers to actively close the tracks if you desire. Obviously if
>     you are concerned on the tagging then its also likely that the
>     area is a favourite place for you. Work with the managers!
>   * Work with and encourage app developers to ensure suitably tagged
>     tracks do not appear on public maps
>
> Cheers – Phil (aka tastracks)
>
>

A path near me has a sign saying track closed... been there for quite a 
while. Some bicycle riders have taken to that track, modifying it for 
their use since that sign was put up. The sign is now being vandalized 
and will soon be gone. The sign is at the top, there is no sign at the 
bottom, the bicycle riders come down hill at speed, I like to walk up as 
it suits a circuit I do. I have removed a centre section of the track. 
In other places there are signs stating bicycle riders are to stick to 
management trails (ie for motor vehicles, not walking paths) and the 
fines are ~$3,000 ... yet to see any effort to really close that track 
nor any policing.. If they had taken action to actual close the track 
with barricades I'd have more respect and would map it as 'disused'.. 
but this is simple stupidity and I'll be leaving the path in OSM.
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