[talk-au] Deletion of informal paths by NSW NPWS

[Graeme Fitzpatrick]

Only thought there is should the note= possibly be a description= ?

Notes are only visible to mappers on OSM, descriptions show to "everybody"
(?) using it downstream.

Thanks

Graeme


On Tue, 2 Jan 2024 at 20:25, Mark Pulley <mrpulley at iinet.net.au> wrote:

> I’ve prepared a partial revert for Apsley Falls, ready for upload.
> (Keeping the trail near the cliff, leaving the eastern non-visible trail
> deleted)
>
> The tags would return to what they were before NPWS deleted them.
> highway=path
> foot=yes
> informal=yes
> trail_visibilty=intermediate
> surface=dirt
>
> With additional tags:
> hazard=cliff (not listed on the wiki, but there are 36 uses in Taginfo)
> access=discouraged
> note=access discouraged by NPWS
>
> with a link in the changeset notes to
> https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Why_can%27t_I_delete_this_trail%3F +
> mention of this discussion.
>
> Any objections / changes before I go ahead?
>
> Mark P.
>
> On 18 Dec 2023, at 8:22 am, Graeme Fitzpatrick <graemefitz1 at gmail.com>
> wrote:
>
> So access=discouraged may be the best answer, possibly together with a
> hazard= tag?
>
> Incidentally, I never heard back from the NPWS bloke who wanted to set-up
> an OSM liasion contact.
>
> Thanks
>
> Graeme
>
>
> On Sun, 17 Dec 2023 at 20:02, Mark Pulley <mrpulley at iinet.net.au> wrote:
>
>> I’m not aware of any restriction regarding staying on marked tracks only.
>> The map on the sign at the start of the walk doesn’t mention any
>> restriction, and the National Parks web site doesn’t mention any
>> restrictions.
>>
>> Mark P.
>>
>> On 16 Dec 2023, at 1:32 pm, Andrew Harvey <andrew.harvey4 at gmail.com>
>> wrote:
>>
>> If there is a general park notice "stay on marked tracks only" combined
>> with the "End of track" I would say that's sufficient to imply you can't
>> continue further and therefore access=no.
>>
>> Without the general park notice but simply "End of track", to me that
>> just means it's the end of foot=designated, and further tracks would be
>> foot=yes and informal=yes, without any access=no.
>>
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