[talk-au] AllThePlaces data in an Australian context?

[Daniel O'Connor]

Hi all,
Wanted to open up a discussion thread about https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/
and what we're comfortable with ingesting into OSM from it, if anything.

*What is it?*
https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/ is a set of scrapers that crawl various
business' sites; and extracts data of interest to OSM (address, phone, etc).

Often, the businesses are publishing structured data under no particular
licence (strong indicator they want it consumed), sometimes just presenting
it in HTML etc.


*Can we actually use it?*
https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2023-08-14#Ticket#2023081110000064_%E2%80%94_First_party_websites_as_sources

Probably?
Facts themselves aren't protected by copyright, there needs to be an
expression of originality, etc.
https://alacc.org.au/requirements-to-gain-copyright-protection/
https://eprints.qut.edu.au/50425/
https://www.mondaq.com/australia/copyright/94168/no-copyright-protection-for-telephone-directories-telstra-v-phone-directories-company
Telstra Corp Ltd v Phone Directories Co Pty Ltd (2010) 264 ALR 617 [340].

(If this has already been settled, specifically in an Australian context,
great! I didn't see anything from a cursory search though)

*If we decide to use it; how do we use it?*
Obviously, wholesale import of data with no human review is more likely to
cause a mess than not.

However, the comparison tools between OSM and ATP are being built out by
various people; ie
https://matkoniecz.codeberg.page/improving_openstreetmap_using_alltheplaces_dataset/#Australia
It's likely we'll end up with a way to do maproulette style tasks - one
click add phone numbers or websites; maybe something a bit more involved
for viewing if there is street view imagery available we can validate a
particular store location or similar that is generally user friendly.

*How much data is available?*
Rough analysis for Australia; ~63782 facts, ranging from "missing place" to
"here's a phone number"
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