[talk-au] AllThePlaces data in an Australian context?

Graeme Fitzpatrick graemefitz1 at gmail.com
Mon Jul 29 01:39:40 UTC 2024


I've also wondered about using this data?

Just had a look at it though, clicked on a couple at random, & wondering if
it'll be worth it?

e.g. 99 Bikes:3 missing, 5 mismatch, 4 tags to add but the missing &
mismatch results seem to be that it's searching for <99_bikes_au>, but
they're already named as <99 Bikes>. It does also show opening hours &
phone numbers for some of them so they could be added.



Thanks

Graeme


On Sun, 28 Jul 2024 at 18:19, Daniel O'Connor <daniel.oconnor at gmail.com>
wrote:

> Hi all,
> Wanted to open up a discussion thread about https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/
> and what we're comfortable with ingesting into OSM from it, if anything.
>
> *What is it?*
> https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/ is a set of scrapers that crawl various
> business' sites; and extracts data of interest to OSM (address, phone, etc).
>
> Often, the businesses are publishing structured data under no particular
> licence (strong indicator they want it consumed), sometimes just presenting
> it in HTML etc.
>
>
> *Can we actually use it?*
> https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2023-08-14#Ticket#2023081110000064_%E2%80%94_First_party_websites_as_sources
>
> <https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2023-08-14#Ticket%232023081110000064_%E2%80%94_First_party_websites_as_sources>
>
> Probably?
> Facts themselves aren't protected by copyright, there needs to be an
> expression of originality, etc.
> https://alacc.org.au/requirements-to-gain-copyright-protection/
> https://eprints.qut.edu.au/50425/
>
> https://www.mondaq.com/australia/copyright/94168/no-copyright-protection-for-telephone-directories-telstra-v-phone-directories-company
> Telstra Corp Ltd v Phone Directories Co Pty Ltd (2010) 264 ALR 617 [340].
>
> (If this has already been settled, specifically in an Australian context,
> great! I didn't see anything from a cursory search though)
>
> *If we decide to use it; how do we use it?*
> Obviously, wholesale import of data with no human review is more likely to
> cause a mess than not.
>
> However, the comparison tools between OSM and ATP are being built out by
> various people; ie
>
> https://matkoniecz.codeberg.page/improving_openstreetmap_using_alltheplaces_dataset/#Australia
> It's likely we'll end up with a way to do maproulette style tasks - one
> click add phone numbers or websites; maybe something a bit more involved
> for viewing if there is street view imagery available we can validate a
> particular store location or similar that is generally user friendly.
>
> *How much data is available?*
> Rough analysis for Australia; ~63782 facts, ranging from "missing place"
> to "here's a phone number"
>
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