[talk-au] AllThePlaces data in an Australian context?

[Warin]

On 29/7/24 11:39, Graeme Fitzpatrick wrote:
> I've also wondered about using this data?
>
> Just had a look at it though, clicked on a couple at random, & 
> wondering if it'll be worth it?
>
> e.g. 99 Bikes:3 missing, 5 mismatch, 4 tags to add but the missing & 
> mismatch results seem to be that it's searching for <99_bikes_au>, but 
> they're already named as <99 Bikes>. It does also show opening hours & 
> phone numbers for some of them so they could be added.


I recently added one of these 99 Bikes .. as a brand. Looking at their 
website the 'name' looks to be 'brand' <location>.

I used; shop=bicycle, website=, service:bicycle:retail=yes, 
service:bicycle:service=yes


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> Thanks
>
> Graeme
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> On Sun, 28 Jul 2024 at 18:19, Daniel O'Connor 
> <daniel.oconnor at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>     Hi all,
>     Wanted to open up a discussion thread about
>     https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/ and what we're comfortable with
>     ingesting into OSM from it, if anything.
>
>     *What is it?*
>     https://www.alltheplaces.xyz/ is a set of scrapers that crawl
>     various business' sites; and extracts data of interest to OSM
>     (address, phone, etc).*
>     *
>
>     Often, the businesses are publishing structured data under no
>     particular licence (strong indicator they want it consumed),
>     sometimes just presenting it in HTML etc.
>
>     *Can we actually use it?
>     *https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2023-08-14#Ticket#2023081110000064_%E2%80%94_First_party_websites_as_sources*
>     *
>     <https://osmfoundation.org/wiki/Licensing_Working_Group/Minutes/2023-08-14#Ticket%232023081110000064_%E2%80%94_First_party_websites_as_sources>
>
>     Probably?
>     Facts themselves aren't protected by copyright, there needs to be
>     an expression of originality, etc.
>     https://alacc.org.au/requirements-to-gain-copyright-protection/
>     https://eprints.qut.edu.au/50425/
>     https://www.mondaq.com/australia/copyright/94168/no-copyright-protection-for-telephone-directories-telstra-v-phone-directories-company
>     Telstra Corp Ltd v Phone Directories Co Pty Ltd (2010) 264 ALR 617
>     [340].
>
>     (If this has already been settled, specifically in an Australian
>     context, great! I didn't see anything from a cursory search though)
>
>     *If we decide to use it; how do we use it?*
>     Obviously, wholesale import of data with no human review is more
>     likely to cause a mess than not.
>
>     However, the comparison tools between OSM and ATP are being built
>     out by various people; ie
>     https://matkoniecz.codeberg.page/improving_openstreetmap_using_alltheplaces_dataset/#Australia
>     It's likely we'll end up with a way to do maproulette style tasks
>     - one click add phone numbers or websites; maybe something a bit
>     more involved for viewing if there is street view imagery
>     available we can validate a particular store location or similar
>     that is generally user friendly.
>
>     *How much data is available?*
>     Rough analysis for Australia; ~63782 facts, ranging from "missing
>     place" to "here's a phone number"
>
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