[OSM-talk-be] First OpenGeoDB Import is done

[Johan Huysmans]

This is a discussion started on OSM-talk concerning the import of the 
opengeoDB.

We will continue this discussion on the talk-be mailinglist, as it is 
Belgium specific.

The issue about the double names is a bug and will be fixed by Sven, as 
I can understand from this mail. Thanks for that Sven :)

In an other mail I will re-start the discussion about the place types.

Let's keep Sven in CC because he is not subscribe to talk-be (Sven 
general discussion of Belgium are held in English, so you can always 
subscribe)

Greetings Johan

Sven Anders wrote:
> Am Montag, 21. Januar 2008 13:49 schrieben Sie:
>   
>> On Monday 21 January 2008, Johan Huysmans wrote:
>>     
>>> I checked this out on
>>> <http://informationfreeway.org/?lat=51.013361068022284&lon=4.29214993
>>> 01165795&zoom=12&layers=B000F000F> but no extra placenames showed up,
>>> even not after a rerender.
>>> I investigated it with josm and it shows that the "place=" tag is
>>> always FIXME.
>>>       
>> Looking at it, I think it's because of missing population information.
>> And since population is probably used to tag with city/town/village in
>> the other countries that got OpenGeoDB data, it just gives it a FXIME
>> place tag when it's missing. But just guessing of course...
>>     
>
> Thats right the version of OpenGeoDB does not say, what place it is.
>   
>> Anyway, we were still in the process of making conventions for the place
>> tags in Belgium, so maybe it's good it didn't give a value to it yet...
>>     
>
> correct this if you have made a desission.
>
>   
>>> I also noted that the "name=" tag has 2 values, seperated by a ,
>>> (probably this is the dutch and french name) but in some places they
>>> are both the same?
>>> The double name is also true in ex. the is_in tag.
>>>       
>
> Okay, i think thats a bug of the import tool in combination with OpenGeoDB 
> data. In OpenGeoDB there is for example 
>
> I had thought that there is only one entry with: is_native_lang, but in the 
> Database there are two.
>
> | loc_id | text_type | text_val  | text_locale | is_native_lang | 
> is_default_name
> |  34140 | 500100000 | Odeigne   | de          |            1 |             1
> |  34140 | 500100000 | Odeigne   | fr          |           1 |               1 
>
>
>   
>> It's not Dutch and French (and if that were the case there would have to
>> be a German name as well), it's just the same tag twice every time.
>> Even in Brussels where the municipalities are bilingual it has the
>> French name twice (and since the already existing place tags there have
>> both Dutch and French names in their name key, it made duplicate nodes
>> to already existing ones).
>>     
>
> Bad Bug, when the name is not found. It will be newly created. Of cause a 
> name: Odeigne,Odeigne is not found on the map.
>
>
>   
>> To keep with linguistic problems: all is_in keys in Flanders
>> have "is_in=...,Belgique,...". If you do want to stick with the
>> localized names it should be "is_in=...,België,...",
>> and "is_in=...,Belgien,..." in the German community. Better would
>> probably be to just stick with the English is_in=Belgium, since you
>> don't need to do special rules for your import script, and we mostly
>> use is_in=Belgium anyway already.
>>     
>
> Yes is related to this
>
>   
>> Next issue: the municipalities in Brussels region have "is_in=Bruxelles"
>> tags, which is actually quite wrong: "is_in=Brussels-Capital Region" is
>> better, since "Brussels" is just another municipality. Anyway, is_in
>> tags in Brussels may be confusing anyway to foreigners, so better
>> discuss it first :-)
>>     
>
>   
>> But I guess we could better move the discussion for the Belgian
>> OpenGeoDB data to the talk-be mailing list if you want to improve it,
>> since it probably would only bore non-Belgian users :-)
>>     
>
> I think it would be the best to discuss this on talk-be and send me the 
> resullt of this discussion (Shall we delete all OpenGeoDB Nodes? Will you fix 
> them? Shall I try to fix it per Skript, which is the default language in wich 
> area?)
>
>   
>> (btw, did you put province and arrondissements place nodes in the data
>> as well? I haven't found those nodes yet)
>>     
>
> They have often no position (lat,lon) so its only a relation, wich is not in 
> OpenStreetMap now.
>
> Thank you
> Sven Anders
>
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