[OSM-talk-be] Cell Phones Antennas

[Pol]

I deleted them this morning and as long as the situation is not clear.

-*φol d.*-



On Fri, Apr 22, 2011 at 10:22, Gerard Vanderveken <Ghia at ghia.eu> wrote:

>  I was looking up some on the map, but it seems that tower:type =
> communications is not rendered anymore???
> I tought they were before, altough only in Osmarender, cfr VRT radio and tv
> towers in Overijse - Wavre.
>
> I see some have a name, but I'm affraid that it won't add much, but instead
> duplicating and cluthering the rendering and names of the current places
> (buildings like churches etc)
> http://www.openstreetmap.org/browse/changeset/7911333
> Some has also very generic names eg. watertoren, kerk,  etc
>
> There is a Wiki about GSM in the Belgian project
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Mapping_resources#GSM.2FUMTS_antenna_sites
>
> Should the points not to be deleted, until the status about their use
> becomes clear??
> For the moment it is obvious that it is forbidden data.
>
> Regards,
> Gerard.
>
> Pol wrote:
>
> Hello,
>
>  I contacted them this morning and they asked me to write down a mail
> explaining the request, why, etc etc etc.
> That's what I did. If you want a copy of the mail (in french), just contact
> me in private.
>
>  They told me that they will forward the mail to their law departement and
> I should expect an answer next week.
>
>  Let's cross our fingers ! ;) I'll keep you updated of the situation !
>
>  By the way, I'll be at the hackdemocracy this Thursday, April 28, 2011:
> http://www.meetup.com/HackDemocracy/events/17010026/
>
>  Have a nice day all.
>
> -*φol d.*-
>
>
> On Thu, Apr 21, 2011 at 22:14, Pol <d.paolino at gmail.com> wrote:
>
>> Hello,
>>
>>  Someone forwarded me the mail from Lennard talking about the revert or
>> not of my commit.
>> I wasn't aware of the existence of that mailing list until now.
>>
>>  Let me explain to all of you how it all began...
>>
>>  One year ago I was looking, for personal purpose, the coordinates of
>> each cell phones antennas in Belgium.
>>
>>  The first site I found was: http://www.antennes-gsm.be/
>> But that one seems to be old and no more maintained.
>>
>>  Then I found the one of IBPT: http://www.sites.ibpt.be/
>>
>>  The one you are currently seeing at this address is the new version.
>> When I first found it, they were using an old version.
>>
>>  By doing some searches, I found a huge security hole in it.
>> I was unemployed at that time and I decided to make an exploit.
>> The exploit was simple, using HTML and JavaScript, I could manipulate
>> their databases by sending custom queries.
>> I'm not a kid and I'm someone who destroy someone else's work, so I
>> contacted them and explained the problem.
>> The reaction was fast, some days later I was in their offices with my
>> laptop, showing them the problem and the possible solutions.
>> I also made a new local proof of concept that it could be done in a nicer
>> and cleaner way.
>> Unfortunately, they were really kind and say thanks but we do not rely on
>> our team to do the map, we rely on another company and we cannot break the
>> current contract with them.
>> Before leaving, I asked to the head of security if it was possible to get
>> a dump of the antennas coordinates in a more easy way to put it on
>> OpenStreetMap and he said that it couldn't be done: "Imaginez ce que
>> pourrait faire qqun de mal intentionné s'il trouve ces données!" which
>> means: "Imagine what could do someone malicious if they finds these datas!".
>> Which is completely a non sense because those datas can be retrieved from
>> THEIR online website.
>> I said him that ! Someone could spot by himself all the antennas and put
>> them on OpenStreetMap. He didn't reply to that one.
>> So, I leaved, quite sad.
>>
>>  Some month later, the current new system was in place and the security
>> hole vanished, problem solved.
>>
>>  With the new system, it's even easier to get their datas.
>> I decided to save in a file all the data I could get from their map in a
>> file and submit it to OpenStreetMap.
>>
>>  That's the end of the story.
>>
>>  It's up to you now to decide if you want to remove them or not.
>> If you have questions, I'll reply to them on that mailing list.
>>
>>  Nice evening all.
>>
>>  -*φol d.*-
>>
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