[OSM-talk-be] additional Cycle node networks in Namur & Luxembourg

[Jo]

2012/12/27 A.Pirard.Papou <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>

>  On 2012-12-26 10:59, Sander Deryckere wrote :
>
> 2012/12/25 A.Pirard.Papou <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>
>
>>  On 2012-12-23 16:00, Jo wrote :
>>
>> 2012/12/23 A.Pirard.Papou <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com>
>>
>> I would have liked to add node numbers, but I could not find on the
>> Belgian OSM wiki how they're assigned.  How can I do that?
>>  <http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14&lat=50.5256&lon=5.7969>
>>
>>   <http://hiking.waymarkedtrails.org/en/?zoom=14&lat=50.5256&lon=5.7969>The
>> numbered nodes get rcn_ref with the number as the value.
>>
>> OK, I had understood I must use the number as the number.
>> But, *how are those numbers assigned*?
>> That means: who chooses them or do we have to invent them ourselves and
>> are there any rules.
>> This should be explained in the wiki so that it can be usable.
>>
>
> The numbers are chosen by the tourism agency responsible for your area.
> Like in my region, it's WestTour (http://www.westtoer.be).
>
> They create maps, and they signpost the routes.
>
> On 2012-12-25 23:35, Ben Laenen wrote :
>
> I don't really understand the question here. If you want to add cycle nodes
> from a network, then those numbers are on the signs at that junction.
>
> If this is for a route you invented yourself, then the route doesn't have a
> place in OSM anyway...
>
>  Thanks.
> Obviously, what seems obvious to you isn't to everybody, including several
> maps I have seen.
> In consequence, I have added the following phrase to Conventions<http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions>Hiking & Biking.
>
> Mapping of walking and/or biking routes must be restricted to routes
> signposted by an official tourism agency that is assigning the node
> numbers, if any, and writing them to the signs.
>
> As, in addition, the so-called tourism do not reply to e-mails, this is
> one more business I quit.
>
>
> Given that I wrote an email to a tourism agency and got permission to
include their network of routes in OSM, proves that this is not the case.

More or less 1 year ago I was also approached by Toerisme Vlaanderen, as
they wanted to share the data about hotels, campings, musea. With the
license change of OSM and some stuff that they were changing on their side
(deeplinks to their website), I put that on hold. I contacted them again
last week, so I expect an answer on that somewhere during the month of
January. That will add quite a few adresses and interesting POIs.

The touristic services of the Flemish provinces (this is a different beast
than Toerisme Vlaanderen) are not ready to give us permission to add the
cycle and walking node networks to OSM. But they are also not forcing us to
remove them. What they don't like is that people (and companies) would
become able to start printing the same kind of guides that they offer in
the tourist information points. So they usually attach a license to it with
that restriction.

What they don't (seem to want to) understand is that it would be very hard
to compete with them, both on price and given the distribution network. So
even if Openstreetmap would enable people to do this, there is hardly any
incentive.

Anyway all that is based on talks that took place around one year ago. I'll
keep the list posted if there is news.

Cheers and keep up the good work!

Polyglot
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