[OSM-talk-be] Using the tag place=neighbourhood

[Sander Deryckere]

May I say that the page you point me to is not consistent with the Belgian
conventions listed in the wikiproject Belgium? They say every municipality
in Belgium should have the value "town" and every deelgemeente the value
"village".

Now back to the main issue.

For Mariakerke, the value "hamlet" would fit according to the definition
you give (as it's not a deelgemeente), but the value "neighbourhood" would
also fit. They exactly confirm my visions on the difference between hamlet
and neighbourhood. Namely: a neighbourhood is part of a village, city or
town. I interpret this as "part of the residential area". In Dutch it would
mean "buurt" or "wijk".

And if you look at the English descriptions (
http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Map_Features#Places), it clearly states
that a hamlet is a rural community. So that would certainly not fit for
Mariakerke. As it's part of the centre of Oostende.

Regards,
Sander

2012/6/24 Gerard Vanderveken <Ghia at ghia.eu>

> **
> Hi,
>
> I woukld not change it
> place=hamlet. fits fine for Mariakerke
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:Map_Features#Plaats_.28place.29
> Hamlets typically do have a church and form a separate community.
> suburbs are districts in cities, while neighbourhoods are more  a group of
> rural isolated  houses (all without churches)
> That's what I think of it.
>  Regards,
> Gerard.
>
> Sander Deryckere wrote:
>
> Hi,
>
> I'm busy drawing and correcting boundaries in W-VL. And for Oostende, I
> have a strange issue (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oostende).
>
> The deelgemeenten of Oostende are Zandvoorde and Stene (as those are the
> only ones that were still independent before the fusion of the 70's). The
> hamlet Raversijde used to be part of Middelkerke, and it's still rather
> separated from the main centre of Oostende.
>
> But Mariakerke was completely merged with Oostende in 1899 (so it can't be
> considered as a deelgemeente). Because it isn't a deelgemeente, this
> automatically means it should get the tag place=hamlet. This while
> Mariakerke has over 10.000 inhabitants, so it should deserve a title
> place=town when it wasn't merged so soon.
>
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Places
>
> I would like to use the tag place=neigbourhood for Mariakerke.
>
> What do you think about the following definition?
>
> When the place has the name of a municipality or a deelgemeente, the
> definitions stay as they are
>
> When the place doesn't have the name of a municipality or deelgemeente,
> the tags place=hamlet and place=neighbourhood are used
>
> place=hamlet is used when the residential area is clearly separated from
> other residential areas.
> place=neighbourhood is used when the residential area is part of the
> residential area of a city, town or village.
>
> This follows my feeling about a hamlet being something rural, while a
> neighbourhood is part of a bigger residential area. And it also follows the
> international conventions (more or less) on the wiki:
> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Place
>
> Regards,
> Sander
>
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