[OSM-talk-be] Using the tag place=neighbourhood

[Sander Deryckere]

Suburbs or neighbourhoods is just a difference in size according to the
English wiki. I believe Oostende is not such a big city, so I proposed
neighbourhood. But suburb would also work (although that would mean the
documentation has to be changed).

Note that some of those "wijken" are also deelgemeentes. Am I right that
you would like to see this subdivision?

Centrum -> town Oostende
Konterdam-Meiboom -> suburb Konterdam-Meiboom
Mariakerke-Nieuwekoers -> suburb Mariakerke-Nieuwekoers
Raversijde -> suburb Raversijde
Stene -> town Stene (11.000 inh according to Wikipedia, and a deelgemeente)
Vuurtoren -> suburb Vuurtoren
Westkwartier-Vlaams plein -> suburb Westkwartier-Vlaams plein
Zandvoorde -> village Zandvoorde (deelgemeente)

I only have a problem with Raversijde here. As it looks quite separated
from the centre of Oostende, I would call it hamlet instead of a suburb.

2012/6/24 Georges De Gruyter <zors1843 at gmail.com>

> Wouldn't it be better then to use the "wijken" as stipulated in the site
> of the city as "suburbs" :
>
> http://oostende.be/wijkinfo
>
> Kind regards,
> Georges
>
>
> 2012/6/24 Gerard Vanderveken <Ghia at ghia.eu>
>
>> **
>> Hi,
>>
>> I woukld not change it
>> place=hamlet. fits fine for Mariakerke
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/NL:Map_Features#Plaats_.28place.29
>> Hamlets typically do have a church and form a separate community.
>> suburbs are districts in cities, while neighbourhoods are more  a group
>> of rural isolated  houses (all without churches)
>> That's what I think of it.
>>  Regards,
>> Gerard.
>>
>> Sander Deryckere wrote:
>>
>> Hi,
>>
>> I'm busy drawing and correcting boundaries in W-VL. And for Oostende, I
>> have a strange issue (http://nl.wikipedia.org/wiki/Oostende).
>>
>> The deelgemeenten of Oostende are Zandvoorde and Stene (as those are the
>> only ones that were still independent before the fusion of the 70's). The
>> hamlet Raversijde used to be part of Middelkerke, and it's still rather
>> separated from the main centre of Oostende.
>>
>> But Mariakerke was completely merged with Oostende in 1899 (so it can't
>> be considered as a deelgemeente). Because it isn't a deelgemeente, this
>> automatically means it should get the tag place=hamlet. This while
>> Mariakerke has over 10.000 inhabitants, so it should deserve a title
>> place=town when it wasn't merged so soon.
>>
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Places
>>
>> I would like to use the tag place=neigbourhood for Mariakerke.
>>
>> What do you think about the following definition?
>>
>> When the place has the name of a municipality or a deelgemeente, the
>> definitions stay as they are
>>
>> When the place doesn't have the name of a municipality or deelgemeente,
>> the tags place=hamlet and place=neighbourhood are used
>>
>> place=hamlet is used when the residential area is clearly separated from
>> other residential areas.
>> place=neighbourhood is used when the residential area is part of the
>> residential area of a city, town or village.
>>
>> This follows my feeling about a hamlet being something rural, while a
>> neighbourhood is part of a bigger residential area. And it also follows the
>> international conventions (more or less) on the wiki:
>> http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Place
>>
>> Regards,
>> Sander
>>
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