[OSM-talk-be] your advice please about corrections to tagging instructions
Glenn Plas
glenn at byte-consult.be
Mon Oct 7 12:10:46 UTC 2013
On 2013-10-07 14:00, Dennis Bollyn wrote:
> My opinion is to make it as easy as possible for the mapper and to tag
> the physical reality. Manpower is the main thing lacking right now and
> the easier we make it for the mapper to do the correct thing, the
> correcter things will be. I believe in making the right thing easy and
> the wrong thing harder.
> Also, if the law changes next year, how are we going to be able to
> verify everything?
>
> As long as the traffic_sign tag is used correctly everywhere
> (including all "under signs"), this whole discussion becomes less
> relevant. You can make some overpass queries to automatically find the
> "wrong" tags and correct them.
>
> I find it unfortunate that you don't want any discussion since the
> actual opinion of the person may be slightly different. You only give
> two choices whereas the person may believe a 3rd possibility is better.
> For example, I'm tending towards xx=designated where it is a F99x sign
> and xx=yes when a sign indicates a additional right that is not
> normally present (eg. uitgezonderd .../excepte ...), but this is not
> consistently used throughout the poll. For reasons of consistency,
> would would thus rather vote for xx=yes.
>
> Either way, here is my vote.
>
>
>
>
> C3 <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium#C3>
> Belgium-trafficsign-c3.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-c3.svg>
>
> No entry in both directions
>
>
>
> vehicle <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:vehicle>=no
>
>
> +1
traffic_sign=BE:C3
vehicle=no
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-c3.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-c3.svg>
> LOI
> <http://www.code-de-la-route.be/textes-legaux/sections/am/am-111076/864-hs2art9#9.2>
> WET
>
>
>
> No entry to any driver
> <http://www.code-de-la-route.be/textes-legaux/sections/ar/code-de-la-route/100-art2#2.13>
> in both directions
>
>
>
> vehicle <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:vehicle>=no
>
> horse <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:horse>=no
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:horse%3Dno>
>
>
> -1
>
> C3 <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium#C3>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-c3.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-c3.svg>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-ob-iv-plaatselijkverkeer.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-ob-iv-plaatselijkverkeer.svg>
>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-ob-iv-circulationlocale.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-ob-iv-circulationlocale.svg>
>
>
>
>
> Only destination traffic allowed. Horses, bicycles, pedestrians
> are always allowed.access
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:access>=destination
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:access%3Ddestination>
>
>
>
>
>
access=destination
traffic_sign=BE:C3,BE:TypeIV
vehicle=no
src: http://www.wegcode.be/wetteksten/secties/mb/mb-111076/880-bijlage2#4
> +1
>
>
> C3 <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Road_signs_in_Belgium#C3>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-c3.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-c3.svg>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-ob-iv-plaatselijkverkeer.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-ob-iv-plaatselijkverkeer.svg>
>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-ob-iv-circulationlocale.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-ob-iv-circulationlocale.svg>
>
>
>
>
> Only destination traffic allowed. Horses, bicycles, pedestrians
> are always allowed.
>
>
>
> vehicle
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:vehicle>=destination
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:vehicle%3Ddestination>
> bicycle <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle>=yes
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Dyes>
>
> -1
bicycle yes is not needed as the Type-IV implies it:
src: 2.47. De opschriften "uitgezonderd plaatselijk verkeer" of
"plaatselijke bediening" duiden op een openbare weg die slechts
toegankelijk is voor de voertuigen van de bewoners van die straat en van
hun bezoekers, de voertuigen voor levering inbegrepen; ook voertuigen
voor onderhoud en toezicht, wanneer de aard van hun opdracht dit
rechtvaardigt, de prioritaire voertuigen bedoeld in artikel 37 en
fietsers en ruiters, hebben er zonder uitzondering toegang.
>
>
> F99c <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Papou/work#F99c>
> Belgium-trafficsign-f99c foot horse bicycle.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-f99c_foot_horse_bicycle.svg>
>
>
> Road reserved for agriculture vehicles, pedestrians, bicycles and
> horses
> Can be adapted according to different categories
>
>
>
> highway
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=residential
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dresidential> or
> highway
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=unclassified
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified> or
> highway <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=track
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack>
> traffic_sign
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign>=BE:F99c
> foot <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:foot>=yes horse
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:horse>=yes bicycle
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle>=yes agricultural
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:agricultural>=yes
>
> +1
>
>
> F99c <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Papou/work#F99c>
> Belgium-trafficsign-f99c foot horse bicycle.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-f99c_foot_horse_bicycle.svg>
>
>
> Road reserved for agriculture vehicles, pedestrians, bicycles and
> horses
> Can be adapted according to different categories
>
>
>
> highway
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=unclassified
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dunclassified>/highway
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=track
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dtrack>/...
> traffic_sign
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign>=BE:F99c
> vehicle <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:vehicle>=no
> bicycle <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle>=yes
> agricultural
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:agricultural>=yes
>
> -1
>
>
> please note that, despite the picture, "and horses" is in the law
> indeed.
>
> F99b <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Papou/work#F99b>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-f99b foot bicycle.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-f99b_foot_bicycle.svg>
>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-f99b bicycle foot.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-f99b_bicycle_foot.svg>
>
>
>
>
> Road reserved for pedestrian, bicycles and horses on indicated
> part of the road
> Can be adapted according to different categories
>
>
>
> highway <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=path
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath>
> traffic_sign
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign>=BE:F99b
> foot <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:foot>=yes bicycle
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle>=yes
> segregated <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:segregated>=yes
>
> (no opinion)
>
>
> F99b <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Papou/work#F99b>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-f99b foot bicycle.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-f99b_foot_bicycle.svg>
>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-f99b bicycle foot.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-f99b_bicycle_foot.svg>
>
>
>
>
> Road reserved for pedestrian, bicycles and horses on indicated
> part of the road
> Can be adapted according to different categories
>
>
>
> highway
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=cycleway/footway/path
> traffic_sign
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign>=BE:F99b
> bicycle
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle>=designated
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Ddesignated>
> foot <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:foot>=designated
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:foot%3Ddesignated>
> segregated <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:segregated>=yes
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:segregated%3Dyes>
>
> (no opinion)
>
>
> F99a <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Papou/work#F99a>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-f99a foot bicycle horse.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-f99a_foot_bicycle_horse.svg>
>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-f99a foot bicycle.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-f99a_foot_bicycle.svg>
>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-f99a foot.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-f99a_foot.svg>
>
>
>
>
> Road reserved for pedestrians, bicycles and horses
> Can be adapted according to different categories
>
>
>
> highway <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=path
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath>
> traffic_sign
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign>=BE:F99a
> foot <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:foot>=yes horse
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:horse>=yes bicycle
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle>=yes
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Dyes>
>
>
> (no opinion)
>
>
> F99a <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/User:Papou/work#F99a> F99a
>
> Road reserved for pedestrians, bicycles and horses
> Can be adapted according to different categories
>
>
>
> highway <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:highway>=path
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:highway%3Dpath>
> traffic_sign
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:traffic_sign>=BE:F99a
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-f99a foot.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-f99a_foot.svg>
>
>
>
>
>
> foot <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:foot>=designated
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:foot%3Ddesignated>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-f99a foot bicycle.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-f99a_foot_bicycle.svg>
>
>
>
>
> foot <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:foot>=designated
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:foot%3Ddesignated>
> bicycle
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle>=designated
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Ddesignated>
>
> Belgium-trafficsign-f99a foot bicycle horse.svg
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/File:Belgium-trafficsign-f99a_foot_bicycle_horse.svg>
>
>
>
>
> foot <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:foot>=designated
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:foot%3Ddesignated>
> bicycle
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:bicycle>=designated
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:bicycle%3Ddesignated>
> horse <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:horse>=designated
> <http://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:horse%3Ddesignated>
>
> (no opinion)
>
>
>
>
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