[OSM-talk-be] hoe map ik een bus halte ? :-) / how to map a bus stop ? :-)

Thu Aug 21 11:41:42 UTC 2014

So we say the same: for actual trip planning you need a time table. But of
course with the current OSM data you can see which bus you have to take,
which is an important first step

regards

m

On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 11:27 AM, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:

> Say you have an app like Opentripplanner, the time tables are available
> there, but where the bus passes geographically is contained in the OSM
> route relations. Whether this is important or not, is another matter. It
> isn' t so much for routing, but it is if you want to be able to draw a map
> like the one you can find in this article:
>
> http://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Ad_Wouters
>
> The bus routes are in pink, almost invisible as they are only of limited
> importance to the subject or the theme of the map. But on this page it is
> interesting to be able to see them, as I added descriptions about how to
> get to given points on the actual route:
>
> http://en.wikivoyage.org/wiki/Ad%27s_Path
>
> Cheers,
>
> Jo
>
>
> 2014-08-21 9:17 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>:
>
> I'll agree that the things mentioned in the picture are often
>> micromapping. But on the other hand how does an international app knows all
>> this when there is no OSM+ database that contains all this country specific
>> information ?
>>
>> I keep on wondering how useful the routes are for routing without
>> timetables. An application that wants to give me the opportunity to plan my
>> travel via public transportation needs this I think. It's of little use to
>> tell me that I can arrive at my destination on a Sunday with bus X when
>> that bus only passes there on weekdays.
>> But of course, this is a totally different problem/discussion.
>>
>> regards
>>
>> m
>>
>>
>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 9:04 AM, Jo <winfixit at gmail.com> wrote:
>>
>>> All bus stops of De Lijn have timetable information, so I don't see why
>>> we'd map that explicitely. I think the same goes for TEC. Even the stops of
>>> TEC I can verify in Flanders have timetables.
>>>
>>> Sometimes the name is present in big letters on the shelter. I don't see
>>> why we'd map that either. A €10000 pole with real time information does
>>> seem interesting to tag, although they don't work more than half the time...
>>>
>>> Another tag that might make sense for a shelter is lit=yes. Some
>>> shelters, at least in Flanders, have solar panels on top and when it gets
>>> dark a small lamp can turn on when somebody moves around in the shelter.
>>> Still, even that is much detail with very little benefit, except maybe for
>>> those who are into statistics. If we'd ever manage to actually map all of
>>> those.
>>>
>>> Anyway, I'm mostly interested in adding information to stops, so they
>>> can be identified for use in route relations and to indicate whether there
>>> are facilities for disabled people, but that is rather detail to be added
>>> to the highway=platform/public_transport=platform way.
>>>
>>> tactile_paving and wheelchair.
>>>
>>> Cheers,
>>>
>>> Jo
>>>
>>>
>>> 2014-08-21 7:24 GMT+02:00 Marc Gemis <marc.gemis at gmail.com>:
>>>
>>> Just to make it clear: the picture is not about tagging bus lines, it's
>>>> about tagging bus stops. You refer to a page on the routes.
>>>> Furthermore. it was not a question, I just found it a nice summary for
>>>> what's in the wiki (probably somewhere under the public transport pages).
>>>> Hence the smiley in the subject :-)
>>>> There were a couple of tags that I had not heard of before  (strip and
>>>> the ones related to the time table and other information in the shelter). I
>>>> doubt this information can be found in the Belgian (part of the) wiki. This
>>>> does not always follows the evolution of the other communities.
>>>>
>>>> regards
>>>>
>>>> m
>>>>
>>>>
>>>>
>>>> On Thu, Aug 21, 2014 at 6:42 AM, André Pirard <A.Pirard.Papou at gmail.com
>>>> > wrote:
>>>>
>>>>>  On 2014-08-20 07:40, Marc Gemis wrote :
>>>>>
>>>>> https://twitter.com/JLZIMMERMANN/status/501356038499868672/photo/1
>>>>>
>>>>>
>>>>> The answers to those questions about our conventions should be found
>>>>> here, Marc
>>>>> WikiProject Belgium/Conventions/Bus and tram lines (tagging)
>>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/WikiProject_Belgium/Conventions/Bus_and_tram_lines#Tagging>
>>>>> so that anybody can tag without asking the same questions and getting
>>>>> the same or different answers over and over again.
>>>>> I had to made modifications to those few lines for readability.
>>>>> But there was no answer when I tried to raise a discussion about
>>>>> missing, essential infos.
>>>>>
>>>>> Mainly, how must a route extension (optional detour) be represented
>>>>> (unclear "(at least) two separate type
>>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Key:type>=route
>>>>> <https://wiki.openstreetmap.org/wiki/Tag:type%3Droute> relations")?
>>>>> Must the detour (e.g. a small loop that some but not all buses follow)
>>>>> be represented standing alone (A - B - D - E and B - C - D) or must the
>>>>> whole route be repeated with and without the extension (A - B - D - E and A
>>>>> - B - C - D - E)
>>>>> The problem is that let us say 3 extensions potentially make 8 whole
>>>>> routes.
>>>>> Also, if the extension is at the end of the line (A - B - D - E [-
>>>>> F]), is it OK to represent the route only once (A - B - C - D - E - F)?
>>>>>
>>>>>   André.
>>>>>
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